Re: Two-wires RS485 and the driver enable problem

From	rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	comp.arch.embedded
Subject	Re: Two-wires RS485 and the driver enable problem
Date	2014-10-15 02:00 -0400
Organization	A noiseless patient Spider
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On 10/14/2014 5:35 PM, David Brown wrote:
> On 14/10/14 20:20, rickman wrote:
>> On 10/14/2014 12:58 PM, Dave Nadler wrote:
>>> On Monday, October 13, 2014 9:02:33 PM UTC+2, upsid...@downunder.com
>>> wrote:
>>>> ...you can't get an interrupt, when the last bit of
>>>> the last character is actually shifted out of the Tx shift register.
>>>
>>> Sure you can, just append N dummy TX bytes where "N" is the TX FIFO
>>> depth.
>>>
>>> But check it on the scope!!
>>
>> That is a very dangerous way to control the driver enable.  Most likely
>> the interrupt will happen when the start bit is sent which means the
>> output will already be sending the start bit when the driver is disabled.
>>
>
> It can often work fine - at worst, the receiver sees a brief noise at
> the end of the telegram itself, and that is easily ignored.
>
> However, if you are worried that the "transmission complete" interrupt
> might be delayed too long, then clearly the same thing will apply to the
> final "transmit character" interrupt for your extra character.  So it is
> a useful trick if you don't have a "transmission complete" interrupt
> signal, but not for the problem at hand here.

Is all of this based on the idea that the transmitter empty interrupt is 
not valid in some way?

-- 

Rick

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Two-wires RS485 and the driver enable problem pozzugno <pozzugno@gmail.com> - 2014-10-13 13:58 +0200
  Re: Two-wires RS485 and the driver enable problem Wouter van Ooijen <wouter@voti.nl> - 2014-10-13 14:29 +0200
    Re: Two-wires RS485 and the driver enable problem pozzugno <pozzugno@gmail.com> - 2014-10-13 14:38 +0200
      Re: Two-wires RS485 and the driver enable problem Wouter van Ooijen <wouter@voti.nl> - 2014-10-13 15:28 +0200
        Re: Two-wires RS485 and the driver enable problem Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-10-13 07:21 -0700
          Re: Two-wires RS485 and the driver enable problem Wouter van Ooijen <wouter@voti.nl> - 2014-10-13 16:46 +0200
            Re: Two-wires RS485 and the driver enable problem Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-10-13 08:02 -0700
        Re: Two-wires RS485 and the driver enable problem pozzugno <pozzugno@gmail.com> - 2014-10-13 16:59 +0200
          Re: Two-wires RS485 and the driver enable problem Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-10-13 08:08 -0700
            Re: Two-wires RS485 and the driver enable problem pozz <pozzugno@gmail.com> - 2014-10-14 07:48 +0200
              Re: Two-wires RS485 and the driver enable problem Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-10-13 23:28 -0700
                Re: Two-wires RS485 and the driver enable problem pozzugno <pozzugno@gmail.com> - 2014-10-14 09:20 +0200
                Re: Two-wires RS485 and the driver enable problem Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-10-14 06:09 -0700
              Re: Two-wires RS485 and the driver enable problem David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2014-10-14 10:36 +0200
          Re: Two-wires RS485 and the driver enable problem Wouter van Ooijen <wouter@voti.nl> - 2014-10-13 18:14 +0200
      Re: Two-wires RS485 and the driver enable problem Tim Wescott <seemywebsite@myfooter.really> - 2014-10-13 16:30 -0500
  Re: Two-wires RS485 and the driver enable problem David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2014-10-13 14:47 +0200
    Re: Two-wires RS485 and the driver enable problem pozzugno <pozzugno@gmail.com> - 2014-10-13 14:56 +0200
      Re: Two-wires RS485 and the driver enable problem David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2014-10-13 16:13 +0200
      Re: Two-wires RS485 and the driver enable problem Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-10-13 08:06 -0700
        Re: Two-wires RS485 and the driver enable problem pozzugno <pozzugno@gmail.com> - 2014-10-14 08:50 +0200
          Re: Two-wires RS485 and the driver enable problem Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-10-14 14:34 -0700
  Re: Two-wires RS485 and the driver enable problem Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2014-10-13 09:11 -0400
  Re: Two-wires RS485 and the driver enable problem rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-10-13 10:53 -0400
    Re: Two-wires RS485 and the driver enable problem pozzugno <pozzugno@gmail.com> - 2014-10-13 17:03 +0200
  Re: Two-wires RS485 and the driver enable problem Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2014-10-13 15:20 +0000
    Re: Two-wires RS485 and the driver enable problem pozzugno <pozzugno@gmail.com> - 2014-10-16 09:01 +0200
      Re: Two-wires RS485 and the driver enable problem Tauno Voipio <tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid> - 2014-10-16 10:19 +0300
      Re: Two-wires RS485 and the driver enable problem rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-10-16 05:02 -0400
  Re: Two-wires RS485 and the driver enable problem Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-10-13 08:17 -0700
    Re: Two-wires RS485 and the driver enable problem Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-10-13 08:19 -0700
    Re: Two-wires RS485 and the driver enable problem pozzugno <pozzugno@gmail.com> - 2014-10-14 09:28 +0200
      Re: Two-wires RS485 and the driver enable problem Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-10-14 06:09 -0700
        Re: Two-wires RS485 and the driver enable problem rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-10-14 14:28 -0400
    Re: Two-wires RS485 and the driver enable problem rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-10-14 04:36 -0400
  Re: Two-wires RS485 and the driver enable problem Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2014-10-13 12:35 -0500
    Re: Two-wires RS485 and the driver enable problem langwadt@fonz.dk - 2014-10-13 15:02 -0700
      Re: Two-wires RS485 and the driver enable problem Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-10-13 17:36 -0700
        Re: Two-wires RS485 and the driver enable problem Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2014-10-13 21:53 -0500
          Re: Two-wires RS485 and the driver enable problem Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-10-13 20:24 -0700
  Re: Two-wires RS485 and the driver enable problem upsidedown@downunder.com - 2014-10-13 22:02 +0300
    Re: Two-wires RS485 and the driver enable problem Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2014-10-13 19:09 +0000
      Re: Two-wires RS485 and the driver enable problem glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-10-13 20:58 +0000
        Re: Two-wires RS485 and the driver enable problem Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2014-10-13 21:08 +0000
          Re: Two-wires RS485 and the driver enable problem langwadt@fonz.dk - 2014-10-13 14:40 -0700
    Re: Two-wires RS485 and the driver enable problem Dave Nadler <drn@nadler.com> - 2014-10-14 09:58 -0700
      Re: Two-wires RS485 and the driver enable problem rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-10-14 14:20 -0400
        Re: Two-wires RS485 and the driver enable problem David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2014-10-14 23:35 +0200
          Re: Two-wires RS485 and the driver enable problem rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-10-15 02:00 -0400
            Re: Two-wires RS485 and the driver enable problem David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2014-10-15 09:47 +0200
              Re: Two-wires RS485 and the driver enable problem rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-10-16 01:30 -0400
                Re: Two-wires RS485 and the driver enable problem David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2014-10-16 20:46 +0200
                Re: Two-wires RS485 and the driver enable problem Dave Nadler <drn@nadler.com> - 2014-10-16 12:00 -0700
            Re: Two-wires RS485 and the driver enable problem upsidedown@downunder.com - 2014-10-15 11:01 +0300
            Re: Two-wires RS485 and the driver enable problem Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2014-10-15 14:24 +0000
              Re: Two-wires RS485 and the driver enable problem rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-10-16 01:17 -0400
                Re: Two-wires RS485 and the driver enable problem pozzugno <pozzugno@gmail.com> - 2014-10-16 08:36 +0200
                Re: Two-wires RS485 and the driver enable problem rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-10-16 05:05 -0400
                Re: Two-wires RS485 and the driver enable problem pozzugno <pozzugno@gmail.com> - 2014-10-16 12:54 +0200
                Re: Two-wires RS485 and the driver enable problem Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2014-10-16 14:16 +0000
    Re: Two-wires RS485 and the driver enable problem upsidedown@downunder.com - 2014-10-15 09:09 +0300
      Re: Two-wires RS485 and the driver enable problem Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2014-10-15 14:26 +0000
  Re: Two-wires RS485 and the driver enable problem glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-10-13 20:55 +0000
  Re: Two-wires RS485 and the driver enable problem Tim Wescott <seemywebsite@myfooter.really> - 2014-10-13 16:37 -0500
    Re: Two-wires RS485 and the driver enable problem pozzugno <pozzugno@gmail.com> - 2014-10-14 09:37 +0200
  Re: Two-wires RS485 and the driver enable problem Arlet Ottens <usenet+5@c-scape.nl> - 2014-10-14 20:44 +0200

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