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Re: Dimdows Decay Syndrome Continues

From	rbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.advocacy, alt.comp.os.windows-11
Subject	Re: Dimdows Decay Syndrome Continues
Date	2025-02-09 00:35 +0000
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On 8 Feb 2025 20:41:26 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:

>   Indeed it isn't, but - as I later mentioned - I use tin as my
> newsreader and I mentioned 'GNU', meaning all the GNU tools/commands/
> etc.. Granted, most of the latter can also be gotten as 'native' Windows
> executables, but probably not with a 'package manager' such as Cygwin
> has.

That's one of my first steps when provisioning a new Windows machine -- 
adding the native Windows tools. I can only take so much of 'ls' failing 
and I never bothered to learn to use 'dir' effectively.

>   If I was starting now/recently, I would probably use WSL (Windows
> Subsystem for Linux), but I already used similar stuff in the 80s, so
> Cygwin was the logical choice for Windows.

I have installed Cygwin in the past but at work we used the MKS Nutcracker 
tools and runtime. They didn't play together all that well. Using Cygwin 
for a commercial suite of apps was out. 

I started using DJGPP on DOS. My 'hello world' was porting 
MidnightCommander back to Windows, which is ironic considering it started 
as a port of a Windows app. I did a little work on what is now MinGW. That 
was started by Anders Norlander and carried on by Mumit Khan. I don't know 
who is developing it these days. The philosophy was different, using GNU 
tools to build native Windows apps. Corinna Vinschen at that time took the 
Cygwin route trying to bring POSIX to Windows.

WSL is handy. We had a map product that required a base map. Usually no 
problem but at trade shows a decent internet connection is expensive and 
often sucks. It's fairly easy to create a map tile server using OSM data 
on Linux but a real mess on Windows. Solution: run the tile server on a 
WSL Debian instance on the marketing laptops, with the Windows 
applications on the same machine. I originally thought about running the 
tile server on a mini but that approach led to one less piece of equipment 
to get lost.

Most of my Windows machines are set up for WSL but between here and work 
I've got five dedicated Linux boxes, if you count the Debian derived 
Raspberry Pi OS so I use those. Almost everything I use is cross platform 
anyway so the Linux and Windows boxes are provisioned very similarly.

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Dimdows Decay Syndrome Continues Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-01 21:55 +0000
  Re: Dimdows Decay Syndrome Continues Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-02-01 19:07 -0500
    Re: Dimdows Decay Syndrome Continues Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-02-01 20:11 -0500
      Re: The Dominance Of Linux (was Re: Dimdows Decay Syndrome Continues) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-02 03:24 +0000
        Re: The Dominance Of Linux (was Re: Dimdows Decay Syndrome Continues) Brian Gregory <void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid> - 2025-02-02 04:05 +0000
          Re: The Dominance Of Linux (was Re: Dimdows Decay Syndrome Continues) CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-02 07:19 -0500
          Re: The Dominance Of Linux (was Re: Dimdows Decay Syndrome Continues) Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-02-02 07:55 -0500
          Re: The Dominance Of Linux (was Re: Dimdows Decay Syndrome Continues) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-07 23:22 +0000
        Re: The Dominance Of Linux (was Re: Dimdows Decay Syndrome Continues) Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-02-02 00:08 -0500
          Re: The Dominance Of Linux (was Re: Dimdows Decay Syndrome Continues) Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-02-02 13:57 +0000
          Re: The Dominance Of Linux (was Re: Dimdows Decay Syndrome Continues) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-07 23:19 +0000
        Re: The Dominance Of Linux (was Re: Dimdows Decay Syndrome Continues) DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-02-02 16:05 -0500
          Re: The Dominance Of Linux (was Re: Dimdows Decay Syndrome Continues) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-07 23:17 +0000
      Re: Dimdows Decay Syndrome Continues Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2025-02-02 19:26 +0000
        Re: Dimdows Decay Syndrome Continues Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-02-02 14:49 -0500
        Re: Dimdows Decay Syndrome Continues Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-02-02 15:29 -0500
          Re: Dimdows Decay Syndrome Continues chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-02-02 15:26 -0600
            Re: Dimdows Decay Syndrome Continues Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-02-03 02:50 +0000
              Re: Dimdows Decay Syndrome Continues rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-03 04:03 +0000
              Re: Dimdows Decay Syndrome Continues Jeff Barnett <jbb@notatt.com> - 2025-02-02 23:17 -0700
                Re: Dimdows Decay Syndrome Continues Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-02-03 13:16 +0000
      Re: Dimdows Decay Syndrome Continues Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-02-07 20:03 -0500
      Re: Dimdows Decay Syndrome Continues Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-02-08 20:12 +0000
        Re: Dimdows Decay Syndrome Continues Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-02-08 21:06 -0500
    Re: Dimdows Decay Syndrome Continues CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-02 07:11 -0500
      Re: Dimdows Decay Syndrome Continues Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-07 21:34 +0000
        Re: Dimdows Decay Syndrome Continues CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-07 20:29 -0500
          Re: Dimdows Decay Syndrome Continues Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-08 06:36 +0000
            Kexec (and HyperV) (was: Re: Dimdows Decay Syndrome Continues) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-02-08 08:44 +0000
              Re: Kexec (and HyperV) Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-02-08 06:41 -0500
              Re: Kexec (and HyperV) (was: Re: Dimdows Decay Syndrome Continues) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-08 23:42 +0000
                Re: Kexec (and HyperV) (was: Re: Dimdows Decay Syndrome Continues) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-02-09 00:25 +0000
            Re: Dimdows Decay Syndrome Continues CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-08 09:05 -0500
              Re: Dimdows Decay Syndrome Continues Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-08 23:44 +0000
                Re: Dimdows Decay Syndrome Continues Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-02-08 19:05 -0500
                Re: Dimdows Decay Syndrome Continues vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-02-09 13:58 +0000
              Re: Dimdows Decay Syndrome Continues Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-02-08 21:18 -0500
        Re: Dimdows Decay Syndrome Continues Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-02-07 21:05 -0500
  Re: Dimdows Decay Syndrome Continues Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-02-01 21:53 -0600
  Re: Onslaught of Linux kernel regressions (was Dimdows Decay Syndrome Continues) DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-02-02 21:23 -0500
    Re: Onslaught of Linux kernel regressions (was Dimdows Decay Syndrome Continues) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-07 21:36 +0000
  Re: Dimdows Decay Syndrome Continues Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-07 21:41 +0000
    Re: Dimdows Decay Syndrome Continues Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-02-07 19:14 -0500
      Re: Dimdows Decay Syndrome Continues Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-02-07 20:26 -0500
        Re: Dimdows Decay Syndrome Continues Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-02-07 20:50 -0500
          Re: Dimdows Decay Syndrome Continues Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-02-07 21:57 -0500
        Re: Dimdows Decay Syndrome Continues Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-02-08 15:22 +0000
          Re: Dimdows Decay Syndrome Continues Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-02-08 11:24 -0500
            Re: Dimdows Decay Syndrome Continues Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-02-08 18:36 +0000
              Re: Dimdows Decay Syndrome Continues Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-02-08 13:49 -0500
              Re: Dimdows Decay Syndrome Continues Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-02-08 13:48 -0600
            Re: Dimdows Decay Syndrome Continues rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-08 19:43 +0000
              Re: Dimdows Decay Syndrome Continues Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-02-08 20:41 +0000
                Re: Dimdows Decay Syndrome Continues Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-02-08 16:12 -0500
                Re: Dimdows Decay Syndrome Continues rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-09 00:35 +0000
        Re: Dimdows Decay Syndrome Continues Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-08 23:54 +0000
          Re: Dimdows Decay Syndrome Continues Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-02-08 19:07 -0500
          Re: Dimdows Decay Syndrome Continues rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-09 00:40 +0000
    Re: Dimdows Decay Syndrome Continues Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-18 21:51 +0000
      Re: Dimdows Decay Syndrome Continues Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-02-18 17:11 -0500
      Re: Dimdows Decay Syndrome Continues rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-19 01:06 +0000

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