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Re: It would indeed be surprising if 'c' was the,only constant which wasn't.

Subject Re: It would indeed be surprising if 'c' was the,only constant which wasn't.
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity, sci.physics
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From Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com>
Message-ID <lziSD.3146$X_3.2787@fx01.am4> (permalink)
Organization virginmedia.com
Date 2018-12-19 03:04 +0000

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On 23/04/2018 13:22, Adam Stefaniak wrote:

 > Keith Stein wrote

 >>     What's the difference between a universe which is expanding,
 >>        and a universe in which the speed of light is slowing down ?


 >  From what little I know about VSL theories (e.g. Moffat, Albrecht
 > & Maguejo), they don't replace the standard big bang expansion (LCDM),
 > but rather precede it, as an alternative to inflation. They're
 > something of a fudge factor introduced to explain the flatness
 > problem.

You seem to know much more than the average sci.physics.relativity
contributor Adam, but i do admire your humility eh!

 > One would need to have a full and self-consistent model of static
 > cosmology with VSL, that makes testable predictions, in order to
 > be able to say what it does differently, and make any meaningful
 > comparisons.

Well no false modesty from me Adam. I present a full and self-consistent
model of static cosmology with VSL, that makes testable predictions:-

 > On 24/03/2018 08:36, Keith Stein wrote:
 >  > Searching for an alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts, it
 >  > occurred to me that if the speed of light is slowing down, then this
 >  > will necessarily lead to increasing red-shift with increasing
 >  > distance, as observed by Hubble et. al., without any expansion at all.
 >  >
 >  > Merely by assuming      dc = -K c dt ..................(1)
 >  > I was led to             c = c(0) e^-Kt ...............(2)
 >  > and on to               Red-Shift = e^-Kt - 1 .........(3)
 >  >
 >  >      K ~= 10^-10 /year
 >  >      t = time in years
 >  >
 >  > Only after starting the PHYSICS PRIZE thread, in which i was trying to
 >  > enlist the help of sci.physics.relativity readers to obtain a more
 >  > accurate value of K, did the obvious solution occur to me...........
 >  >
 >  >                         K = H = Hubble's Constant
 >  > and                    t = -t  ( so times past become +ve)
 >  >
 >  > which substituted in (3) gives:
 >  >
 >  >              Red-Shift = e^Ht - 1 .........(4)
 >  >
 >  > then for times which are small compared to 1/H (i.e. small compared
 >  > to the 'age of the universe'), we may use the approximation:
 >  >              e^x ~= 1 + x .................(5)
 >  >
 >  > So for t << 1/H we have:
 >  >
 >  >              Red-Shift = H * t ............(6)
 >  >
 >  > which is of course the normal "Hubble's Law", valid only
 >  > for modest times into the past ( t < ~5 billion years).
 >  >
 >  > As our telescopes manage to see further out into space, and therefore
 >  > further back in time, we will find that the normal linear Hubble's
 > Law > expressed in equation(6), will have to be replaced by the more
 >  > accurate exponential form expressed in equation(4). This is indeed
 >  > what is found  in observatories all around the world eh!
 >
 >
 >
 > wikIpedia wrote:
 > "We currently appear to be approaching a period where the expansion is
 > exponential due to the increasing dominance of vacuum energy. In this
 > regime, the Hubble parameter is constant, and the universe grows by a
 > factor e each Hubble time:"
 >
 >
 > 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubble%27s_law#Observed_values_of_the_Hubble_constant


On 23/04/2018 13:22, Adam Stefaniak wrote:
 > One would need to have a full and self-consistent model of static
 > cosmology with VSL, that makes testable predictions, in order to
 > be able to say what it does differently, and make any meaningful
 > comparisons.


As you say Adam, but i am very encouraged by the exponential rises
in red shifts which were such a surprise to the Big Bangers, whereas
VSL folk like myself say, "TOLD YOU SO" eh!

But whatever, none of that answers the question:-

 >>     What's the difference between a universe which is expanding,
 >>        and a universe in which the speed of light is slowing down ?


keith stein


On 17/12/2018 14:13, Dono, wrote: shit.

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