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| From | Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | sci.electronics.design, comp.arch.embedded |
| Subject | Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? |
| Date | 2014-09-20 16:09 -0700 |
| Organization | Aioe.org NNTP Server |
| Message-ID | <lvl1ka$716$1@speranza.aioe.org> (permalink) |
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Cross-posted to 2 groups.
On 9/20/2014 2:29 PM, rickman wrote:
> On 9/20/2014 4:41 PM, Don Y wrote:
>> On 9/20/2014 1:34 PM, rickman wrote:
>>> On 9/20/2014 3:19 PM, Don Y wrote:
>>>> On 9/20/2014 7:42 AM, David Brown wrote:
>>>>> This is exactly the sort of fight I wanted to avoid - I tried to give
>>>>> you a few
>>>>> /technical/ pointers to why Linux might do a better job for you, and
>>>>> in trying
>>>>> to battle ignorance and myths I have stupidly let myself get drawn
>>>>> in. And for
>>>>> every point I correct, you post another three paragraphs of new
>>>>> imagined
>>>>> issues. I simply don't have the time and energy to spend battling such
>>>>> determined fixed positions - this is why I and a good many others
>>>>> usually avoid
>>>>> many of your threads.
>>>>
>>>> David, you refuse to understand the basic issue that drives me (and
>>>> others)
>>>> away from Linux: we want to avoid the GPL LIKE THE PLAGUE! I have
>>>> no desire
>>>> to invest time bettering a product that I can't then use AS I
>>>> PLEASE. And,
>>>> that I can't pass on to other "licensees" in the same way!
>>>
>>> I have trimmed this insanely long post down to one simple point so I
>>> can ask a
>>> question about it and hopefully get a simple reply.
>>>
>>> How does using GPL code like Linux prevent you from using it as you
>>> please or
>>> from passing the code on to others?
>>>
>>> My understanding is exactly the opposite. You can use it any way you
>>> wish on
>>> your own. But if you share your work with others you just have to
>>> share the
>>> source code as well. I don't see any restriction on who or how you
>>> share any
>>> of this. :S
>>
>> It *requires* you to share it!
>
> No, that is factually incorrect. You are free to modify GPL code all day long
> and not share it with anyone at any time. GPL talks about what you must do
> when you *do* share it.
"Sharing" meant to also include *sell* a product incorporating that code!
You can use GPL'd tools to create other works. But, if you take those
GPL tools and derive yet another product from them (or any portion of
them), then the license terms apply to those derived works as well.
IF YOU ONLY USE THAT DERIVED WORK INTERNALLY, then you have no practical
obligations. However, if you start selling or distributing that modified
(enhanced/derived/etc.) tool, then the license's terms apply.
>> Does your employer share *his* codebase with his customers? Competitors??
>
> I am my employer and I don't use GPL code in my work. But that is only because
> there is very little GPL code available in the work I do. I mostly write my
> stuff from scratch so far. There are processors cores for FPGAs which I might
> consider using some day. But not so far.
If those cores are GPL'd, then you will have to conform to the GPL's terms
if you adopt one (for use in a product -- if you instead use one to create
an electronic flyswatter that you use in your office, no problems!)
>> I want to make changes, improvements to a piece of code. I don't want to
>> *have to* share it.
>
> No, you don't have to share anything. There are any number of vendors who use
> GPL code and they have never shared any of it with me and they won't even if I
> ask... because I haven't bought their product, so they aren't obligated to
> share with me.
Um, you might want to reread the terms of their license! And, if, indeed,
they are NOT complying with those terms, call the FSF-police and let
them badger them into compliance.
The whole point of the GPL is to *promote* sharing -- by requiring you
to propagate the licensed code (you are encouraged to also share your
improvements but can excise them from what you distribute if they are
clearly "freestanding"
2b) You must cause any work that you distribute or publish, that in
whole or in part contains or is derived from the Program or any
part thereof, to be licensed as a whole at no charge to all third
parties under the terms of this License.
2c) ... These requirements apply to the modified work as a whole. If
identifiable sections of that work are not derived from the Program,
and can be reasonably considered independent and separate works in
themselves, then this License, and its terms, do not apply to those
sections when you distribute them as separate works. But when you
So, if I excise my "patches" from the "derived/modified" work, then I
can distribute *those* as "separate works" under a different license
(of my choosing).
This only makes sense when you are building a "module" or some other
object that has merit in a free-standing manner. NOT when you are
modifying something else and adding or altering its functionality in
some (small or large) way!
>> *I* may opt to share it; but, someone who embraces my codebase might
>> NOT want
>> to share it or his further improvements. E.g., a commercial entity that
>> wants
>> to exploit the work without sharing his enhancements, being called on to
>> redistribute the original sources that he received or even tipping his
>> hand as
>> to *what* codebase he based his product on! (e.g., if my license terms
>> force
>> him to include a notice that says "Portions copyright Don Y" that doesn't
>> tell anyone *what* sources he used, which version, changes, etc. And,
>> *I* am
>> under no obligation to provide those sources to those "other interested
>> parties", either! I can abandon it or take it in yet another direction,
>> entirely!)
>
> A bit long winded and confusing, but this is different. Here you are talking
> about a product that someone used GPL code in and now wants to profit by. Yes,
> here the GPL says you must share the original code as well as your modified code.
>
> Your code would be shared though him since he is obligated to share it if he
> used it in a product.
>
> If you are describing a situation where your code was written with GPL code and
> distributed that way but you also distribute it as stand alone... I find that a
> very odd scenario and one that is very unlikely. Certainly I have no horse in
> this race so I won't even try to figure it out.
The point is to let others accept your (my) code with as light a "touch" as is
legally possible. I surely don't want to place things in the public domain.
I *deserve* to hold the copyright on my works. However, telling others whom
I would like to ENCOURAGE to adopt those works that they have some "other
requirements" that they must additionally satisfy (and be prepared to defend
in a court of law) is entirely different.
I can't think of anyone who would cringe at burying a copyright notice in
some publication -- ink is practically free!
OTOH, agreeing to provide *my* sources (even WITHOUT their modifications)
to *others* -- presumably who also want to COMPETE in their market -- raises
the bar. Not only the (reasonably trivial) responsibility of putting it
on a publicly accessible server somewhere (for some amount of time) but,
also, ANNOUNCING to those competitors that you started with THIS codebase!
(I don't think many businesses are eager to share ANYTHING about their
products or processes! They fret when they have to disclose INGREDIENTS
on food labels -- and those say nothing about QUANTITIES, etc.)
>> David seems to think I *can* do this under the terms of the GPL. I believe
>> he is wrong. (read the GPL -- any version -- for yourself)
>
> I haven't seen anything by David that says this.
He has EMPHATICALLY stated that:
"I think you totally and completely misunderstand the GPL, totally and
completely misunderstand how it applies to an operating system like Linux,
and totally and completely misunderstand how open source development works,
where it is a good choice, and where it is a bad choice."
I believe I have stated what I *want* from a license. And, why the simple
"3 paragraph" example is so much more preferable (Gee, folks complain about
the lengths of my posts -- but not the length of the GPL vs. other licenses??).
Given that he is so convinced that I "misunderstand", I would like him to
clarify how the GPL lets me -- and anyone who embraces my codebase -- do
"whatever they want" with it! And still comply with the terms of the GPL!
Can YOU tell me how I can do this? How I can tell a potential commercial
entity that they can freely embrace my codebase in their products JUST by
adding those 3 paragraphs to some "user manual"? That, as long as they
have done exactly this, I will have no legal recourse to come after them
for violating the terms of the license, etc.?
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Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-17 00:46 -0700
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-17 04:05 -0400
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? dplatt@coop.radagast.org (David Platt) - 2014-09-17 11:09 -0700
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2014-09-17 22:52 -0500
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? mroberds@att.net - 2014-09-17 08:21 +0000
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-17 02:00 -0700
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2014-09-17 13:08 +0200
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? JW <none@dev.null> - 2014-09-17 08:24 -0400
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? mroberds@att.net - 2014-09-17 21:44 +0000
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? dplatt@coop.radagast.org (David Platt) - 2014-09-17 15:04 -0700
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-18 00:28 -0700
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-18 03:41 -0400
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-18 03:31 -0700
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-18 18:12 -0400
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-18 15:53 -0700
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-18 19:22 -0400
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-18 17:18 -0700
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Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-18 21:44 -0700
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Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-19 01:36 -0700
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Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-19 03:10 -0700
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Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-19 04:26 -0700
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Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-19 10:16 -0700
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Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-20 12:19 -0700
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Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-20 13:33 -0700
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-09-20 23:00 +0000
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-20 16:14 -0700
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-09-21 02:12 +0000
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-20 20:05 -0700
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2014-09-21 12:45 +0200
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-20 16:34 -0400
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-20 13:41 -0700
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-20 17:29 -0400
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Dombo <dombo@disposable.invalid> - 2014-09-21 00:12 +0200
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-20 19:01 -0400
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-20 16:17 -0700
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Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-20 22:27 -0400
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2014-09-21 13:25 +0000
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Dombo <dombo@disposable.invalid> - 2014-09-21 15:56 +0200
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2014-09-21 18:19 +0200
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2014-09-21 09:37 -0700
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-21 14:22 -0700
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2014-09-21 23:13 +0000
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-21 14:20 -0700
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2014-09-21 23:15 +0000
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-21 20:20 -0700
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-20 16:09 -0700
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-20 22:05 -0400
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-20 23:25 -0700
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-21 03:28 -0400
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-21 01:27 -0700
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Dombo <dombo@disposable.invalid> - 2014-09-21 14:20 +0200
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2014-09-21 13:09 +0200
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-21 12:06 -0700
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2014-09-22 09:55 +0200
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Dombo <dombo@disposable.invalid> - 2014-09-20 23:54 +0200
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-20 15:46 -0700
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-20 19:09 -0400
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-20 16:29 -0700
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-20 22:11 -0400
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-20 20:40 -0700
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-21 00:56 -0400
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-20 23:40 -0700
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-21 03:35 -0400
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-21 01:47 -0700
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-21 07:33 -0400
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-21 11:56 -0700
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-21 20:32 -0400
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2014-09-22 11:03 +1000
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-21 18:18 -0700
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2014-09-22 11:53 +1000
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-21 19:05 -0700
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-21 19:05 -0700
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? krw@attt.bizz - 2014-09-21 11:50 -0400
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2014-09-21 18:50 -0700
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-21 20:09 -0700
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2014-09-21 21:25 -0700
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-21 22:12 -0700
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2014-09-23 09:38 -0500
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2014-09-22 10:15 +0100
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-22 04:59 -0700
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? krw@attt.bizz - 2014-09-22 15:38 -0400
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2014-09-22 10:02 +0200
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-22 01:44 -0700
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-22 05:25 -0400
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2014-09-22 12:44 +0200
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-22 04:33 -0700
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2014-09-22 13:00 +0100
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-22 05:02 -0700
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2014-09-22 15:19 +0200
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2014-09-22 14:35 +0100
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-22 07:55 -0700
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2014-09-22 17:35 +0200
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-22 10:06 -0700
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2014-09-22 10:25 -0700
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Hans-Bernhard Bröker <HBBroeker@t-online.de> - 2014-09-22 19:48 +0200
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2014-09-22 20:46 +0200
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2014-10-08 12:34 -0400
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2014-10-08 13:10 -0700
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-10-08 17:31 -0400
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2014-10-08 14:53 -0700
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2014-10-08 15:06 -0700
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Stefan Reuther <stefan.news@arcor.de> - 2014-10-09 19:09 +0200
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2014-10-09 13:44 -0500
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2014-10-09 22:31 +0200
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2014-10-09 17:29 -0400
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2014-10-09 17:31 -0400
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2014-10-09 21:25 -0500
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2014-10-09 23:27 -0400
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2014-10-09 21:56 -0700
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Stefan Reuther <stefan.news@arcor.de> - 2014-10-10 18:48 +0200
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2014-10-10 10:43 -0700
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? mjb@signal11.invalid (Mike) - 2014-10-11 21:25 +0100
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? krw@attt.bizz - 2014-10-10 18:27 -0400
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2014-10-11 03:05 +0000
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-22 18:43 -0400
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-09-22 23:36 +0000
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-22 16:48 -0700
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-09-23 01:05 +0000
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-22 18:47 -0700
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-09-23 02:11 +0000
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-22 22:24 -0700
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-23 00:29 -0400
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2014-09-23 10:07 +0200
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2014-09-23 07:14 -0500
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-22 23:43 -0400
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? krw@attt.bizz - 2014-09-23 13:14 -0400
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2014-09-23 18:18 -0500
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-23 19:28 -0400
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? krw@attt.bizz - 2014-09-23 19:58 -0400
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2014-09-23 16:52 -0700
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? krw@attt.bizz - 2014-09-23 19:57 -0400
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2014-10-08 12:39 -0400
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-22 18:38 -0400
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-09-22 23:41 +0000
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-22 23:27 -0400
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-09-23 05:34 +0000
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-23 02:21 -0400
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2014-09-24 09:42 -0500
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2014-09-23 09:51 -0700
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2014-09-23 18:23 -0500
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2014-09-23 16:53 -0700
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2014-09-24 08:15 -0500
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2014-09-24 10:52 -0700
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-09-24 21:51 +0000
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2014-09-24 15:57 -0700
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2014-09-23 09:52 -0700
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-23 18:19 -0400
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2014-09-23 15:33 -0700
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-23 18:38 -0400
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2014-09-23 15:59 -0700
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-23 19:03 -0400
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2014-09-24 00:15 +0100
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-23 19:30 -0400
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2014-09-23 16:56 -0700
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2014-09-24 02:09 +0200
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-23 20:17 -0400
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2014-09-23 17:26 -0700
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-23 21:20 -0400
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-09-23 23:42 +0000
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2014-10-08 12:41 -0400
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2014-09-22 17:03 +0100
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2014-09-22 10:19 -0700
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-22 15:21 -0400
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2014-09-22 12:55 +0100
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2014-09-22 12:25 +0000
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-22 05:37 -0700
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2014-09-22 14:37 +0100
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2014-09-22 14:32 +0100
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-22 07:01 -0700
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2014-09-22 15:22 +0100
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-22 08:01 -0700
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-23 00:35 -0400
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Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2014-09-23 10:08 -0500
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2014-09-23 10:03 -0700
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-23 13:52 -0700
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-09-22 20:53 +0000
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-22 15:00 -0700
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-09-22 22:14 +0000
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-22 15:51 -0700
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2014-09-23 10:17 -0500
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-23 13:57 -0700
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-23 18:28 -0400
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-22 04:39 -0700
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? langwadt@fonz.dk - 2014-09-20 16:33 -0700
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-20 22:17 -0400
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? langwadt@fonz.dk - 2014-09-21 12:24 -0700
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-22 00:00 -0400
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2014-09-19 23:15 +0000
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2014-09-19 07:58 -0700
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-19 10:41 -0700
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2014-09-19 07:59 -0700
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-19 03:08 -0400
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-19 01:17 -0700
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? josephkk <joseph_barrett@sbcglobal.net> - 2014-09-19 21:15 -0700
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2014-09-20 14:36 -0500
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? "Boudewijn Dijkstra" <sp4mtr4p.boudewijn@indes.com> - 2014-09-19 10:02 +0200
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-19 04:20 -0400
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? "Boudewijn Dijkstra" <sp4mtr4p.boudewijn@indes.com> - 2014-09-18 16:20 +0200
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-18 10:25 -0700
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? "Boudewijn Dijkstra" <sp4mtr4p.boudewijn@indes.com> - 2014-09-19 09:36 +0200
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-19 01:27 -0700
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? josephkk <joseph_barrett@sbcglobal.net> - 2014-09-19 21:35 -0700
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-20 11:54 -0700
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? mroberds@att.net - 2014-09-18 19:33 +0000
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-18 13:18 -0700
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Przemek Klosowski <przemek@tux.dot.org> - 2014-09-21 12:34 +0000
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? krw@attt.bizz - 2014-09-21 11:54 -0400
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? edward.ming.lee@gmail.com - 2014-09-17 08:10 -0700
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2014-09-17 15:11 +0000
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2014-09-17 22:53 -0500
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2014-09-17 13:33 -0700
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2014-09-18 03:35 -0500
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Allan Herriman <allanherriman@hotmail.com> - 2014-09-18 13:16 +0000
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2014-09-25 13:51 +0300
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? dplatt@coop.radagast.org (David Platt) - 2014-09-25 09:58 -0700
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2014-09-29 21:46 +0300
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> - 2014-09-25 10:07 -0700
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-09-25 18:32 -0400
Re: Intel Atom: pros/cons/hazzards? "Daniel Mandic" <daniel_mandic@hotmail.com> - 2014-10-10 09:53 +0000
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