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Re: Preparation for what's coming

From Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c
Subject Re: Preparation for what's coming
Date 2015-09-23 08:50 -0700
Organization None to speak of
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David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> writes:
[big snip]  
> It is a dilemma - and one that is unlikely ever to be solved in a free,
> open and democratic newsgroup.  The best we can do is find a way to live
> with the discussions that go on here without feeling annoyed or
> frustrated - ignoring threads is, I think, a key technique there.

I'm also concerned about the affect on newcomers.  Admittedly there
aren't many of them these days, but we do occasionally have new
posters showing up -- and there are likely even more people who
read without posting.

Ideally, this newsgroup should be a forum for discussing the
C programming language and a welcoming environment for new C
programmers with questions.  And mostly it is -- but a new user
showing up here lately would see a forum dominated by off-topic
postings (and, yes, people arguing about off-topic postings).
How much time do you expect new users to spend tuning their killfiles
(after likely having to learn what a killfile is) to make comp.lang.c
look like the C forum it's supposed to be?

There are a nearly unlimited number of forums where people can argue
about religion, or DNA manipulation, or politics, or whatever they
want to talk about.  There are very few places where people can
discuss the C programming language.

In my opinion, the best we can do is to *stop replying* to
off-topic posts.  We can't entirely stop them in an unmoderated
newsgroup, and we can't get everyone who posts here to cooperate,
but we can reduce their effect.  Marking off-topic threads as "OT"
is in my opinion not enough; if it's off-topic, just don't post it.
(Yes, I'm replying to an off-topic post myself.  I'm *hoping* to
help reduce the volume -- and by long-standing Usenet convention,
discussions about topicality are considered topical.)

We can do better.

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org  <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
Working, but not speaking, for JetHead Development, Inc.
"We must do something.  This is something.  Therefore, we must do this."
    -- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"

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Preparation for what's coming "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-18 08:34 -0700
  Re: Preparation for what's coming jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2015-09-18 19:40 +0200
    Re: Preparation for what's coming "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-18 10:52 -0700
      Re: Preparation for what's coming "Chris M. Thomasson" <nospam@nospam.nospam> - 2015-09-18 12:48 -0700
    Re: Preparation for what's coming Steven Hystad <steven.hystad@lunarinfrastructure.net> - 2015-09-22 19:22 -0600
  Re: Preparation for what's coming "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-19 13:09 -0700
    Re: Preparation for what's coming "Chris M. Thomasson" <nospam@nospam.nospam> - 2015-09-19 13:13 -0700
      Re: Preparation for what's coming "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-19 13:48 -0700
        Re: Preparation for what's coming "Chris M. Thomasson" <nospam@nospam.nospam> - 2015-09-19 14:19 -0700
          Re: Preparation for what's coming "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-19 14:50 -0700
            Re: Preparation for what's coming "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-19 14:56 -0700
            Re: Preparation for what's coming jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2015-09-20 00:11 +0200
              Re: Preparation for what's coming "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-19 15:24 -0700
              Re: Preparation for what's coming fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2015-09-20 00:37 -0700
                Re: Preparation for what's coming fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2015-09-20 00:44 -0700
              Re: Preparation for what's coming "Chris M. Thomasson" <nospam@nospam.nospam> - 2015-09-20 22:26 -0700
                Re: Preparation for what's coming Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-09-21 08:31 -0700
                Re: Preparation for what's coming David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-09-22 10:38 +0200
                Re: Preparation for what's coming gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2015-09-22 08:44 +0000
                Re: Preparation for what's coming David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-09-22 10:59 +0200
                Re: Preparation for what's coming fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2015-09-22 02:50 -0700
                Re: Preparation for what's coming fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2015-09-22 03:09 -0700
                Re: Preparation for what's coming Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-09-22 07:51 -0700
                Re: Preparation for what's coming "James Harris" <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-09-22 20:34 +0100
                Re: Preparation for what's coming David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-09-23 10:17 +0200
                Re: Preparation for what's coming "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-23 01:45 -0700
                Re: Preparation for what's coming Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-09-23 08:50 -0700
                Re: Preparation for what's coming fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2015-09-23 11:10 -0700
                Re: Preparation for what's coming David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-09-24 16:11 +0200
                Re: Preparation for what's coming fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2015-09-24 08:17 -0700
                Re: Preparation for what's coming James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-09-24 12:17 -0400
                Re: Preparation for what's coming fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2015-09-24 10:52 -0700
                Re: Preparation for what's coming BruceS <bruces42@hotmail.com> - 2015-09-22 16:39 -0600
                Re: Preparation for what's coming "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-22 16:01 -0700
                Re: Preparation for what's coming Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-09-23 11:08 +1200
                Re: Preparation for what's coming "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-22 16:30 -0700
                Re: Preparation for what's coming David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-09-23 10:38 +0200
                Re: Preparation for what's coming Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-09-23 21:32 +1200
                Re: Preparation for what's coming Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-09-23 03:04 -0700
                Re: Preparation for what's coming David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-09-23 13:10 +0200
                Re: Preparation for what's coming fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2015-09-21 11:55 -0700
            Re: Preparation for what's coming "Chris M. Thomasson" <nospam@nospam.nospam> - 2015-09-19 15:27 -0700
              Re: Preparation for what's coming Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-09-20 01:02 +0200
                Re: Preparation for what's coming "Chris M. Thomasson" <nospam@nospam.nospam> - 2015-09-19 17:13 -0700
                Re: Preparation for what's coming Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-09-20 02:28 +0200
                Re: Preparation for what's coming Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-19 18:26 -0700
          Re: Preparation for what's coming "Chris M. Thomasson" <nospam@nospam.nospam> - 2015-09-19 17:19 -0700
      Re: Preparation for what's coming Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-09-19 16:28 -0700
        Re: Preparation for what's coming "Chris M. Thomasson" <nospam@nospam.nospam> - 2015-09-19 17:23 -0700
          Re: Preparation for what's coming Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-09-19 18:26 -0700
            Re: Preparation for what's coming "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-19 20:25 -0700
              Re: Preparation for what's coming "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-19 20:38 -0700
                Re: Preparation for what's coming Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-09-20 15:57 +1200
                Re: Preparation for what's coming jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2015-09-21 10:46 +0200
  Re: Preparation for what's coming Jens Stuckelberger <Jens_Stuckelberger@nowhere.net> - 2015-09-20 23:37 +0000
  Re: Preparation for what's coming "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-21 13:04 -0700
  Re: Preparation for what's coming "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-21 13:19 -0700
    Re: Preparation for what's coming fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2015-09-21 14:12 -0700
      Re: Preparation for what's coming "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-21 14:22 -0700
        Re: Preparation for what's coming Rosario19 <Ros@invalid.invalid> - 2015-09-22 00:37 +0200
          Re: Preparation for what's coming "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-21 15:41 -0700
            Re: Preparation for what's coming Rosario19 <Ros@invalid.invalid> - 2015-09-22 00:54 +0200
              Re: Preparation for what's coming "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-21 16:03 -0700
    Re: Preparation for what's coming Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-09-22 03:09 -0700
      Re: Preparation for what's coming "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-22 03:49 -0700
        Re: Preparation for what's coming "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-22 04:12 -0700
        Re: Preparation for what's coming Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-09-22 04:14 -0700
          Re: Preparation for what's coming "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-22 04:45 -0700
            Re: Preparation for what's coming Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-09-23 12:24 -0700
              Re: Preparation for what's coming fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2015-09-23 13:16 -0700
              Re: Preparation for what's coming "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-24 11:25 -0700
        Re: Preparation for what's coming "Chris M. Thomasson" <nospam@nospam.nospam> - 2015-09-22 12:44 -0700
  Re: Preparation for what's coming "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-06 06:21 -0700
  Re: Preparation for what's coming "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-06 07:55 -0700
    Re: Preparation for what's coming Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-10-06 09:09 -0700
      Re: Preparation for what's coming "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-06 09:14 -0700
        Re: Preparation for what's coming "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-06 09:16 -0700
        Re: Preparation for what's coming "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-10 21:26 -0700
          Re: Preparation for what's coming "Chris M. Thomasson" <nospam@nospam.nospam> - 2015-10-10 23:45 -0700
            Re: Preparation for what's coming Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-10-11 00:31 -0700
            Re: Preparation for what's coming Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-10-11 13:36 +0200
          Re: Preparation for what's coming Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-11 21:35 +1300
          Re: Preparation for what's coming "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-11 06:10 -0700
            Re: Preparation for what's coming Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-10-11 15:38 +0200
              Re: Preparation for what's coming "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-11 07:59 -0700
      Re: Preparation for what's coming glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-10-06 21:05 +0000
        Re: Preparation for what's coming Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-10-07 00:59 -0700
        Re: Preparation for what's coming David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-10-07 11:43 +0200
        VW (Re: Preparation for what's coming) Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2015-10-07 13:33 +0000
          Re: VW (Re: Preparation for what's coming) glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-10-08 01:04 +0000
    Re: Preparation for what's coming Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-07 08:32 +1300
      Re: Preparation for what's coming "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-06 12:46 -0700

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