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| From | Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.c |
| Subject | Re: Type interchange |
| Date | 2011-12-02 13:30 -0800 |
| Organization | None to speak of |
| Message-ID | <lnfwh2oe50.fsf@nuthaus.mib.org> (permalink) |
| References | (8 earlier) <4ED80320.7A05@mindspring.com> <lnwrafoq1p.fsf@nuthaus.mib.org> <4ED81BD0.4855@mindspring.com> <lnsjl3okkf.fsf@nuthaus.mib.org> <4ED8D43C.20B0@mindspring.com> |
pete <pfiland@mindspring.com> writes:
> Keith Thompson wrote:
[...]
>> Let's make it a complete program:
>>
>> int main(void) {
>> int n = 32767;
>> n ++;
>> return 0;
>> }
>>
>> I say that this program (specifically its execution) has undefined
>> behavior under an implementation with INT_MAX == 32767, and has
>> well defined behavior under an implementation with INT_MAX > 32767.
>>
>> What do you say? Are you claiming that the program's behavior is
>> undefined regardless of the implementation?
>
> Yes.
>
> That's an example of a non portable construct
> for which the standard imposes no requirements.
And that's where I think you're wrong. It's a non-portable construct
for which the standard *does* impose a requirement. The requirement is
that if INT_MAX > 32767, then the value of n after "n ++;" shall be
32768.
Given a revised program:
#include <stdio.h>
int main(void) {
int n = 32767;
n ++;
printf("n = %d\n", n);
return 0;
}
do you believe that, on an implementation with INT_MAX > 32767,
and in the absence of I/O errors, that program can do anything
other than printing "n = 32768"?
A conditional requirement is still a requirement.
--
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
Will write code for food.
"We must do something. This is something. Therefore, we must do this."
-- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"
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Re: Type interchange Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-11-30 15:22 -0800
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Re: Type interchange James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2011-12-01 07:13 -0500
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Re: Type interchange James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2011-12-01 11:28 -0500
Re: Type interchange Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2011-12-01 16:45 +0000
Re: Type interchange James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2011-12-01 12:00 -0500
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Re: Type interchange James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2011-12-01 20:18 -0500
Re: Type interchange Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-12-01 17:35 -0800
Re: Type interchange James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2011-12-02 12:03 -0500
Re: Type interchange Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-12-02 13:49 -0800
Re: Type interchange James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2011-12-02 22:12 -0500
Re: Type interchange Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-12-03 02:01 -0800
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Re: Type interchange Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2011-12-01 17:48 +0000
Re: Type interchange Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-12-01 14:17 -0800
Re: Type interchange pete <pfiland@mindspring.com> - 2011-12-01 17:43 -0500
Re: Type interchange Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-12-01 15:00 -0800
Re: Type interchange pete <pfiland@mindspring.com> - 2011-12-01 19:29 -0500
Re: Type interchange Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-12-01 16:59 -0800
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Re: Type interchange Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-12-02 13:30 -0800
Re: Type interchange pete <pfiland@mindspring.com> - 2011-12-02 18:45 -0500
Re: Type interchange Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-11-30 19:17 -0800
Re: Type interchange James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2011-12-01 06:50 -0500
Re: Type interchange Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-12-01 07:15 -0800
Re: Type interchange James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2011-12-01 10:36 -0500
Re: Type interchange pete <pfiland@mindspring.com> - 2011-12-01 11:04 -0500
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Re: Type interchange Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-01-25 13:02 -0800
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