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Re: home screen icon to connect to wi-fi network

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Enrico Papaloma, 2024-09-28 15:10:

> On 9/28/2024 6:39 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>>> Remember the home router is always set to not broadcast your BSSID/SSID
>>> pair, which is prudent not for security but for privacy reasons since then
>>> phones don't upload your unique BSSID/SSID pair to Internet databases.
>>
>> Why do you think, that the phone won't do this, when it is *connected*
>> to that SSID?
> 
> Good question. I don't know the full answer but I suspect the correct
> answer has a lot to do with the word "this" in your sentence.
> 
> What, exactly, do you mean, by "this"? (See what I mean, below.)

In my sentence "this" means "upload your unique BSSID/SSID pair to
Internet databases".

[...]
> But I have auto-connect turned off, so the phone is not "looking" for any
> WAP, and therefore once the phone is disconnected from that WAP, it stops
> sending those packets containing the BSSID of the home router WAP.

Yes, but as soon as you connect, this is not the case any longer. So
your *own* WiFi network will be known.

> Given that situation, I suspect the correct answer to your excellent
> question is that the packets are fundamentally different when a phone is
> "looking" to connect to a WAP versus when the phone "is" connected to it.

The phone will automatically see any broadcasted SSIDs and connect to it
when *when* it knows that SSID. There is no need to broadcast anything
at all.

> While I can't control other people's phones, they are set up by Google to
> look for the "I'm here!" packet (which I'll call the "broadcast" packet).
> 
> And while I can't control nefarious stores like the Cannabis store or the
> Pawn shop, they too are looking at the "Are you there?" packets I assume.

You assume wrong. A WiFi router does not send any "are you here" packet.
It will usally just broadcast the SSID and all clients which know the
SSID might try to connect to it.

[...]
>> What has auto-connect to do with privacy if you are using your own WiFi
>> network?
> 
> Most people don't understand a thing about wireless networking and how it
> impacts their privacy, so I'm not surprised you don't know how it works.
> 
> I can't teach you a course in networking here, but the simplest way to
> answer your question is to first patiently explain that most phones are set
> to auto-connect to a known WAP if it sees it, and most routers are set to
> broadcast the WAP's presence, but that's not the situation in my setup.

Just name a website where all this is explained.

[...]
>> Do you have a source where one can learn more about this?
> 
> It's basic stuff. Nothing I've said is incorrect so it's everywhere.

So then it should be easy to name at least one of the websites which are
"everywhere".

[...]
>>> That allows anyone with even minimum skills to track your every movement.
>>> I don't want that.
>>
>> With even "minimum skills"? How?
> 
> Again, this is kid's stuff. It's basic networking. Very simple. Look it up.

No - *you* claim something, then *you* name the sources.


-- 
Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de

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home screen icon to connect to wi-fi network Enrico Papaloma <enrico@papaloma.net> - 2024-09-15 06:30 +0200
  Re: home screen icon to connect to wi-fi network VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2024-09-15 05:15 -0500
    Re: home screen icon to connect to wi-fi network Enrico Papaloma <enrico@papaloma.net> - 2024-09-15 19:18 +0200
      Re: home screen icon to connect to wi-fi network Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-09-18 08:52 +0200
        Re: home screen icon to connect to wi-fi network Enrico Papaloma <enrico@papaloma.net> - 2024-09-18 17:40 +0200
  Re: home screen icon to connect to wi-fi network "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-09-15 23:15 +0200
    Re: home screen icon to connect to wi-fi network Enrico Papaloma <enrico@papaloma.net> - 2024-09-19 03:05 +0200
      Re: home screen icon to connect to wi-fi network Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-09-19 08:52 +0100
        Re: home screen icon to connect to wi-fi network Enrico Papaloma <enrico@papaloma.net> - 2024-09-30 00:53 +0200
          Re: home screen icon to connect to wi-fi network Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-09-30 09:04 +0100
            Re: home screen icon to connect to wi-fi network Enrico Papaloma <enrico@papaloma.net> - 2024-10-02 01:39 +0200
              Re: home screen icon to connect to wi-fi network Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-10-02 05:11 +0100
      Re: home screen icon to connect to wi-fi network "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-09-19 10:06 +0200
      Re: home screen icon to connect to wi-fi network Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-09-28 13:39 +0200
        Re: home screen icon to connect to wi-fi network Enrico Papaloma <enrico@papaloma.net> - 2024-09-28 15:10 +0200
          Re: home screen icon to connect to wi-fi network "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-09-28 21:55 +0200
          Re: home screen icon to connect to wi-fi network Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-09-29 21:03 +0200
            Re: home screen icon to connect to wi-fi network Enrico Papaloma <enrico@papaloma.net> - 2024-09-30 00:30 +0200
              Re: home screen icon to connect to wi-fi network "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-09-30 09:00 +0200
              Re: home screen icon to connect to wi-fi network Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-09-30 16:52 +0200
        Re: home screen icon to connect to wi-fi network "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-09-28 21:55 +0200
  Re: home screen icon to connect to wi-fi network Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-09-18 08:50 +0200
    Re: home screen icon to connect to wi-fi network Enrico Papaloma <enrico@papaloma.net> - 2024-09-18 17:40 +0200
      Re: home screen icon to connect to wi-fi network VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2024-09-18 14:07 -0500
        Re: home screen icon to connect to wi-fi network Enrico Papaloma <enrico@papaloma.net> - 2024-09-19 02:59 +0200
          Re: home screen icon to connect to wi-fi network VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2024-09-19 01:09 -0500
            Re: home screen icon to connect to wi-fi network Enrico Papaloma <enrico@papaloma.net> - 2024-09-19 21:42 +0200
              Re: home screen icon to connect to wi-fi network Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-09-22 08:29 +0000
                Re: home screen icon to connect to wi-fi network Enrico Papaloma <enrico@papaloma.net> - 2024-09-23 06:11 +0200
                Re: home screen icon to connect to wi-fi network Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-09-23 14:11 +0000
                Re: home screen icon to connect to wi-fi network Enrico Papaloma <enrico@papaloma.net> - 2024-09-23 17:34 +0200
                Re: home screen icon to connect to wi-fi network Enrico Papaloma <enrico@papaloma.net> - 2024-09-23 06:32 +0200
      Re: home screen icon to connect to wi-fi network Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-09-28 13:40 +0200
        Re: home screen icon to connect to wi-fi network Enrico Papaloma <enrico@papaloma.net> - 2024-09-28 15:17 +0200
          Re: home screen icon to connect to wi-fi network "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-09-28 22:08 +0200
          Re: home screen icon to connect to wi-fi network Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-09-29 21:06 +0200
            Re: home screen icon to connect to wi-fi network Enrico Papaloma <enrico@papaloma.net> - 2024-09-30 00:32 +0200
              Re: home screen icon to connect to wi-fi network Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-09-30 16:54 +0200

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