Re: Updating C default type

From	Ken Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.c
Subject	Re: Updating C default type
Date	2014-04-24 12:25 -0400
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On 4/22/2014 1:13 PM, Raj Pashwar wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Apr 2014 18:59:37 +0200, jacob navia wrote:
>
>> Le 22/04/2014 18:48, Raj Pashwar a écrit :
[...]
>>> I.E. main() can return double, malloc() can take a double argument,
>>> ETC.
[...]
>> I do not follow you. What would mean
>>
>> buffer = malloc(3.14);
>>
>> ????
>>
>> Allocate 3 bytes and a few bits of the next one? Or what?
>>
>> There are many situations where int makes sense and not floating point!
>
> Of course, it does NOT make sense. However in this case, the benefit is
> the extra RANGE of double, not precision.

So malloc() should be passed an *approximate* number of bytes to allocate?

> With a double arg, malloc could allocate upto 1.7e308 bytes. It will be
> many years, before RAM density increases to exceed this size. Whereas, int
> can only allocate upto 2e9 bytes.

First, I wasn't aware that ints were limited to 32 bits.

Second, malloc() takes size_t, not int.

Finally, since the value passed to malloc() must, logically, be able to be 
express in no more bits than the number of bits in an address, why do you 
feel it is important to be able to pass values larger than the address 
space, and to do so using approximate rather than exact values?

I just tried a simple program which shows me sizeof() for "void *", 
"size_t", and "double".  All return 8.  On such a system, it would not be 
possible to pass malloc() an exact value for "sufficiently large" buffers, 
if it were passed a double rather than size_t.  (Or, if size_t were a double.)

> In other cases, i.e. return value for main(), BOTH the extra precision
> AND extra range of double can be valuable.

Assuming, of course, that the host system were written to expect such a value.

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Updating C default type Raj Pashwar <raj121190@hotmail.NOSPAM.com> - 2014-04-22 16:48 +0000
  Re: Updating C default type jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2014-04-22 18:59 +0200
    Re: Updating C default type Raj Pashwar <raj121190@hotmail.NOSPAM.com> - 2014-04-22 17:13 +0000
      Re: Updating C default type Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-22 11:59 -0700
      Re: Updating C default type Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2014-04-22 19:12 +0000
        Re: Updating C default type jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2014-04-25 19:31 +0200
      Re: Updating C default type Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-04-22 15:41 -0500
      Re: Updating C default type "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-22 21:47 +0100
      Re: Updating C default type Ken Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> - 2014-04-24 12:25 -0400
        Re: Updating C default type Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2014-04-24 10:32 -0700
        Re: Updating C default type glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-04-24 20:17 +0000
        Re: Updating C default type glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-04-24 21:03 +0000
    Re: Updating C default type Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2014-04-22 19:12 +0100
  Re: Updating C default type Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-22 10:26 -0700
  Re: Updating C default type Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2014-04-22 10:28 -0700
  Re: Updating C default type glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-04-22 18:20 +0000
    Re: Updating C default type glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-04-22 19:09 +0000
      Re: Updating C default type James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2014-04-22 15:35 -0400
        Re: Updating C default type James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2014-04-22 15:38 -0400
        Re: Updating C default type Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2014-04-22 19:54 +0000
          Re: Updating C default type glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-04-22 21:27 +0000
            Re: Updating C default type "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-22 23:08 +0100
    Re: Updating C default type Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-04-22 22:03 +0100
    Re: Updating C default type Thomas Jahns <jahns@idontlikespam.dkrz.de> - 2014-04-23 09:59 +0200
    Re: Updating C default type David Thompson <dave.thompson2@verizon.net> - 2014-05-25 16:44 -0400
      Re: Updating C default type glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-05-26 05:48 +0000
  Re: Updating C default type "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2014-04-22 14:01 -0500
    Re: Updating C default type Quentin Pope <qp19433@hotmail.NOSPAM.com> - 2014-04-23 16:57 +0000
      Re: Updating C default type James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2014-04-23 13:13 -0400
      Re: Updating C default type Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2014-04-23 18:02 +0000
      Re: Updating C default type Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-23 11:33 -0700
  Re: Updating C default type Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2014-04-22 19:08 +0000
    Re: Updating C default type Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-04-22 22:08 +0100
      Re: Updating C default type "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-04-22 22:19 +0100
    Re: Updating C default type Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2014-04-22 14:13 -0700
      Re: Updating C default type Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-04-23 11:55 -0500
        Re: Updating C default type Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-04-23 10:55 -0700
          Re: Updating C default type Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2014-04-24 00:03 -0500
        Re: Updating C default type Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2014-04-23 22:37 -0700
          Re: Updating C default type glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-04-24 12:05 +0000
      Re: Updating C default type gordonb.ez7sl@burditt.org (Gordon Burditt) - 2014-04-25 06:11 -0500
        Re: Updating C default type James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2014-04-25 08:48 -0400
  Re: Updating C default type Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-04-22 15:30 -0500
    Re: Updating C default type ralph <nt_consulting@yahoo.com> - 2014-04-22 23:18 -0500
  Re: Updating C default type Ken Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> - 2014-04-24 12:28 -0400
  Re: Updating C default type gordonb.oztxz@burditt.org (Gordon Burditt) - 2014-04-24 23:50 -0500
    Re: Updating C default type James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2014-04-25 08:41 -0400
  Re: Updating C default type Hans Vlems <hvlems@freenet.de> - 2014-05-25 23:57 -0700
    Re: Updating C default type Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2014-05-26 01:55 -0700
    Re: Updating C default type Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-05-26 13:01 +0100
      Re: Updating C default type Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2014-05-26 13:12 -0700
        Re: Updating C default type Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-05-26 22:31 +0100
          Re: Updating C default type Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-05-26 23:55 +0100
          Re: Updating C default type Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-05-26 17:11 -0700
    Re: Updating C default type James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2014-05-27 07:54 -0400

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