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Re: Grammar Gripe

From J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com>
Newsgroups comp.sys.mac.system
Subject Re: Grammar Gripe
Date 2013-12-30 21:13 -0500
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On 12/30/13, 7:11 PM, gtr wrote:
> On 2013-12-30 17:51:02 +0000, J Burns said:
>
>> On 12/30/13, 12:23 PM, gtr wrote:
>>> On 2013-12-30 17:14:16 +0000, J Burns said:
>>>
>>>> On 12/30/13, 12:13 AM, gtr wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Very annoying is "very unique" which is impossible since unique
>>>>>>> means
>>>>>>> one only.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sure, but there are degrees of unique.
>>>>>
>>>>> No there aren't, the definition of the word is quite simple.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, but "very" can mean "without qualification," regardless of
>>>> degree.   One can say every snowflake is unique, but it's debatable.
>>>> If a six-pounder hit me on the head, I'd tell the doctor in the
>>>> emergency room it was a very unique snowflake.
>>>
>>> I think a more logical descriptor under those circumstances would be
>>> "heavy". But "different" "exotic" "incomparable" and many other round
>>> words fit a round hole much better.  Certainly there's no law against
>>> jamming a square word in there with some trimming and misusage, followed
>>> by additional explanation. Hardly seems worth the effort.
>>>
>>> I think you're arguing for the concept that the word can mean something
>>> that it doesn't. Sure it can--if you get your meaning across.  "Red",
>>> "onion-flavored" or "wicked" would work just as well *IF* you got your
>>> meaning across.
>>>
>>>
>> Which word do you mean: "very" or "unique?"
>
> Unique, of course.
>
>> If I called the snowflake heavy, different, exotic, or incomparable,
>> I'd still say "very."  "Truly" is a common, basic meaning of "very."
>
> Yes. Good.  Carry on.
>
>> It has meant that since the mid-13th Century.  The first known use of
>> the word to mean "extremely" occurred two centuries later.
>>
>> I find it annoying when people say, "extremely unique!"
>
> Right. One of the best reasons to avoid degress of uniqueness, is that
> at least part of tht time sone one will point out that you're using the
> word wrong. That in itself is a good reason to mususe it--it takes up
> too much time!
>
Should people stop talking about their very best efforts in case 
somebody thinks this implies other levels of bestness?  Should people 
stop talking about their very own car in case somebody thinks this 
implies other degrees of possession?

Using "very" to imply a degree of intensity comes form 15th Century 
slang.  It should be outlawed.

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Grammar Gripe Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> - 2013-12-21 11:21 -0800
  Re: Grammar Gripe Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-12-21 21:09 +0000
    Re: Grammar Gripe Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2013-12-21 13:15 -0800
    Re: Grammar Gripe Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> - 2013-12-21 13:41 -0800
      Re: Grammar Gripe Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> - 2013-12-21 13:54 -0800
        Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-22 11:21 +1300
          Re: Grammar Gripe Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> - 2013-12-21 18:36 -0800
            Re: Grammar Gripe Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2013-12-22 16:45 -0500
              Re: Grammar Gripe Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-22 23:35 +0000
            Re: Grammar Gripe Wes Groleau <Usenet@Grolea.us> - 2013-12-23 00:44 -0500
              Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-23 23:47 -0500
            Re: Grammar Gripe John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2013-12-22 21:58 -0800
            Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-23 09:13 -0800
              Re: Grammar Gripe Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> - 2013-12-24 16:45 -0800
          Re: Grammar Gripe "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2013-12-22 23:38 -0500
            Re: Grammar Gripe John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2013-12-22 21:58 -0800
              Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-23 19:09 +1300
                Re: Grammar Gripe John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2013-12-23 09:05 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2013-12-23 18:58 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-24 14:06 +1300
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-23 18:36 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-24 18:14 +1300
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-24 07:56 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-25 09:14 +1300
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-24 14:19 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-12-24 17:45 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe Martin Frost me at invalid stanford daht edu <nospam@stanford.edu.invalid> - 2013-12-25 01:43 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-25 08:58 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-12-24 00:29 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-24 18:51 +1300
                Re: Grammar Gripe Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-12-24 00:59 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-24 19:14 +1300
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-24 07:59 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2013-12-24 12:07 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-25 09:36 +1300
                Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-24 12:52 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-24 16:31 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2013-12-24 17:11 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-24 14:49 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-24 23:56 +0000
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-24 14:15 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-24 16:59 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-25 17:22 +1300
                Re: Grammar Gripe "Ed H." <fake@notreal.net> - 2013-12-27 13:30 -0600
                Re: Grammar Gripe me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2013-12-24 22:02 +0000
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-24 14:20 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-24 07:58 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2013-12-24 12:47 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-24 13:09 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2013-12-24 12:09 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-24 12:18 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-25 09:38 +1300
                Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-24 17:18 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-24 14:52 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-24 18:44 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-24 17:03 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-25 17:24 +1300
                Re: Grammar Gripe JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-12-24 23:05 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-25 17:50 +1300
                Re: Grammar Gripe Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2013-12-25 13:28 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2013-12-24 15:52 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-25 13:54 +1300
                Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-24 17:10 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-25 17:26 +1300
                Re: Grammar Gripe me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2013-12-25 04:34 +0000
                Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-25 17:52 +1300
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-24 21:34 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2013-12-24 15:16 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-24 14:11 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Paul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net> - 2013-12-26 19:00 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-27 08:20 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-27 10:48 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-27 18:52 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-12-28 10:20 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-28 10:50 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Paul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net> - 2013-12-28 09:27 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-28 10:51 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Paul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net> - 2013-12-28 13:07 -0800
                Re: Semantics Gripe Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2013-12-29 18:17 +0100
                Re: Semantics Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-29 12:34 -0500
                Re: Semantics Gripe Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2013-12-29 14:53 -0800
                Re: Semantics Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-29 10:56 -0800
                Re: Semantics Gripe Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2013-12-29 21:55 +0100
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-24 14:04 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2013-12-26 16:28 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2013-12-24 18:22 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-25 00:02 +0000
                Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-25 13:15 +1300
                Re: Grammar Gripe "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2013-12-26 23:30 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-27 10:51 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2013-12-27 18:36 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-27 21:08 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2013-12-24 18:03 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2014-01-01 17:55 +1100
                Re: Grammar Gripe Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-01 11:41 -0700
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-01-01 11:29 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-02 09:10 +1300
                Re: Grammar Gripe Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-01 13:49 -0700
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-01-01 15:38 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-02 13:16 +1300
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-01-01 17:31 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-02 09:10 +0000
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-01-02 11:47 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-02 22:17 +0000
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-01-02 15:29 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-02 18:33 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-01 13:46 -0700
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-01-01 15:41 -0800
            Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-23 23:42 -0500
              Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-24 08:03 -0800
        Re: Grammar Gripe bob <rcp27g@gmail.com> - 2013-12-22 10:49 +0000
          Re: Grammar Gripe "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2013-12-22 16:54 +0000
          Re: Grammar Gripe Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2013-12-26 10:37 +1100
            Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-26 18:32 +1300
              Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-26 05:36 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-26 09:30 -0500
            Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-31 18:35 +1300
        Re: Grammar Gripe Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2013-12-23 10:59 +1100
      Re: Grammar Gripe Paul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net> - 2013-12-22 11:34 -0800
        Re: Grammar Gripe Wes Groleau <Usenet@Grolea.us> - 2013-12-23 00:45 -0500
    Re: Grammar Gripe Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-22 04:58 +0000
  Re: Grammar Gripe Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-12-21 20:11 -0500
  Re: Grammar Gripe me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2013-12-22 15:43 +0000
    Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-22 11:53 -0500
      Re: Grammar Gripe Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-12-22 22:35 +0000
        Re: Grammar Gripe Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2013-12-22 18:08 -0500
          Re: Grammar Gripe Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-12-23 09:07 +0000
            Re: Grammar Gripe JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-12-23 04:12 -0500
            Re: Grammar Gripe Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-23 15:15 +0000
              Re: Grammar Gripe Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-12-23 15:39 +0000
                Re: Grammar Gripe Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-23 18:46 +0000
                Re: Grammar Gripe Wes Groleau <Usenet@Grolea.us> - 2013-12-23 21:03 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-24 04:52 -0500
        Re: Grammar Gripe John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2013-12-22 22:02 -0800
        Re: Grammar Gripe Wes Groleau <Usenet@Grolea.us> - 2013-12-23 01:04 -0500
          Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-23 19:41 +1300
          Re: Grammar Gripe Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-12-23 11:27 -0500
            Re: Grammar Gripe Paul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net> - 2013-12-23 09:55 -0800
            Re: Grammar Gripe JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-12-23 13:33 -0500
              Re: Grammar Gripe Wes Groleau <Usenet@Grolea.us> - 2013-12-23 21:05 -0500
            Re: Grammar Gripe Wes Groleau <Usenet@Grolea.us> - 2013-12-23 21:04 -0500
              Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-23 18:40 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Wes Groleau <Usenet@Grolea.us> - 2013-12-23 22:19 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2013-12-24 10:15 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-24 08:01 -0800
      Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-22 15:10 -0800
        Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-22 18:23 -0500
          Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-22 15:29 -0800
        Re: Grammar Gripe Wes Groleau <Usenet@Grolea.us> - 2013-12-23 00:49 -0500
          Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-23 02:35 -0500
  Re: Grammar Gripe Matthew Lybanon <lybanon@earthlink.net> - 2013-12-22 10:32 -0600
    Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-22 12:36 -0500
    Re: Grammar Gripe Paul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net> - 2013-12-22 11:40 -0800
      Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-22 16:06 -0500
        Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-22 15:18 -0800
          Re: Grammar Gripe Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-22 23:41 +0000
            Re: Grammar Gripe Paul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net> - 2013-12-23 09:26 -0800
              Re: Grammar Gripe Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-23 18:47 +0000
          Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-23 23:39 -0500
            Re: Grammar Gripe Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-12-24 00:46 -0500
              Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-24 19:10 +1300
              Re: Grammar Gripe Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> - 2013-12-25 04:34 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-25 14:17 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> - 2013-12-25 18:36 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-12-26 01:18 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-26 07:59 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-26 05:41 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-12-26 09:53 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-12-26 21:27 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-12-27 02:06 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe Joe W DiDomenico <joedid@outlook.com> - 2013-12-27 08:03 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-27 10:43 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-26 19:16 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Joe W DiDomenico <joedid@outlook.com> - 2013-12-27 08:04 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2014-04-19 20:00 +1000
                Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-04-19 10:42 -0700
                Re: Grammar Gripe Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-12-26 09:52 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-26 10:44 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-26 10:00 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe henry999@eircom.net (Henry) - 2013-12-27 13:22 +0200
                Re: Grammar Gripe Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-12-27 10:18 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2013-12-27 15:57 +0000
                Re: Grammar Gripe henry999@eircom.net (Henry) - 2013-12-27 18:34 +0200
                Re: Grammar Gripe Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-12-27 12:43 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2013-12-28 14:41 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-28 11:00 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-28 10:57 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-28 09:11 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-28 14:18 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe Joe Di Domenico <joedid@email.com> - 2013-12-28 14:46 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe henry999@eircom.net (Henry) - 2013-12-31 11:54 +0200
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-31 10:47 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-31 14:13 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2014-04-19 20:04 +1000
                Re: Grammar Gripe JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-04-19 15:55 -0400
                Re: Grammar Gripe Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-04-19 21:20 +0100
                Re: Grammar Gripe Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-04-19 17:21 -0400
                Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-04-19 17:22 -0700
                Re: Grammar Gripe me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-04-20 03:16 +0000
                Re: Grammar Gripe JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-04-20 00:00 -0400
                Re: Grammar Gripe Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-04-19 08:40 -0400
                Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-04-19 10:54 -0400
                Re: Grammar Gripe Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2014-04-19 20:02 +1000
                Re: Grammar Gripe Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-04-19 08:34 -0400
                Re: Grammar Gripe billy@MIX.COM - 2014-04-19 15:09 +0000
                Re: Grammar Gripe dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-04-20 08:51 +1000
                Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-04-19 22:37 -0400
                Re: Grammar Gripe Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-04-20 12:36 +0200
                Re: Grammar Gripe Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-04-20 07:03 -0700
                Re: Grammar Gripe Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-04-20 17:33 +0200
                Re: Grammar Gripe Joe Wolf Dee <joedid@email.com> - 2014-04-21 07:57 -0400
                Re: Grammar Gripe Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-04-20 03:23 +0200
                Re: Grammar Gripe me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-04-20 03:11 +0000
                Re: Grammar Gripe Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-04-27 09:35 -0400
                Re: Grammar Gripe JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-04-19 15:51 -0400
                Re: Grammar Gripe Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-12-26 15:56 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-26 17:07 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-27 12:05 +1300
                Re: Grammar Gripe Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2013-12-27 21:52 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Joe W DiDomenico <joedid@outlook.com> - 2013-12-28 09:48 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-28 10:47 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-26 09:48 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-27 09:38 +1300
                Re: Grammar Gripe Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2014-04-19 19:59 +1000
              Re: Grammar Gripe Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2014-04-19 19:58 +1000
            Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-23 22:18 -0800
              Re: Grammar Gripe Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-12-24 04:06 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2013-12-24 14:19 +0000
                Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-24 10:17 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-24 08:03 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-24 13:14 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-24 20:01 +0000
                Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-24 15:19 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2013-12-24 12:14 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-24 16:05 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2013-12-24 15:55 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-25 13:07 +1300
                Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-24 17:08 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-25 17:25 +1300
                Re: Grammar Gripe John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2013-12-28 14:46 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-25 09:11 +1300
                Re: Grammar Gripe Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-12-24 20:54 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-24 13:00 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-24 10:21 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2013-12-24 12:12 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-25 09:40 +1300
                Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-24 13:37 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> - 2013-12-25 04:42 -0800
              Re: Grammar Gripe Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-24 16:20 +0000
                Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-24 09:49 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-24 19:59 +0000
                Re: Grammar Gripe Matthew Lybanon <lybanon@earthlink.net> - 2013-12-24 15:38 -0600
                Re: Grammar Gripe Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-12-24 21:04 -0500
            Re: Grammar Gripe Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> - 2013-12-24 20:03 -0800
              Re: Grammar Gripe Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-12-25 10:53 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-25 11:17 -0500
            Re: Grammar Gripe Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2014-04-19 19:55 +1000
              Re: Grammar Gripe Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-04-19 13:42 +0000
                Re: Grammar Gripe Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-04-19 06:52 -0700
                Re: Grammar Gripe dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-04-20 09:24 +1000
                Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-04-19 22:35 -0400
                Re: Grammar Gripe JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-04-19 23:56 -0400
                Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-04-19 21:02 -0700
                Re: Grammar Gripe Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-04-19 21:16 -0700
                Re: Grammar Gripe Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-04-20 13:43 +0100
          Re: Grammar Gripe Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2013-12-28 16:34 +1100
            Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-28 18:39 +1300
            Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-28 10:45 -0800
            Re: Grammar Gripe John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2013-12-28 14:57 -0800
      Re: Grammar Gripe Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2013-12-22 23:36 +0100
        Re: Grammar Gripe Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-12-22 22:54 +0000
          Re: Grammar Gripe Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2013-12-23 03:20 +0100
            Re: Grammar Gripe John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2013-12-22 22:07 -0800
              Re: Grammar Gripe Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2013-12-23 09:56 +0100
                Re: Grammar Gripe JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-12-23 04:10 -0500
    Re: Grammar Gripe Paul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net> - 2013-12-22 11:45 -0800
    Re: Grammar Gripe Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-22 23:38 +0000
    Re: Grammar Gripe Wes Groleau <Usenet@Grolea.us> - 2013-12-23 00:50 -0500
    Re: Grammar Gripe Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2013-12-28 16:24 +1100
      Re: Grammar Gripe Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-12-28 08:55 +0000
        Re: Grammar Gripe JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-12-28 04:27 -0500
          Re: Grammar Gripe Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-12-28 10:09 +0000
            Re: Grammar Gripe Joe W DiDomenico <joedid@outlook.com> - 2013-12-28 09:39 -0500
              Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-28 10:37 -0800
              Re: Grammar Gripe dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2013-12-29 08:18 +1100
                Re: Grammar Gripe Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-12-28 22:36 +0000
                Re: Grammar Gripe dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2013-12-29 15:07 +1100
              Re: Grammar Gripe Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-12-28 17:27 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-30 04:24 +0000
                Re: Grammar Gripe dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2013-12-30 17:34 +1100
                Re: Grammar Gripe Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2013-12-30 10:04 +0100
                Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-30 10:31 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2013-12-30 19:25 +0100
                Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-30 13:56 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-30 11:48 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-01-02 15:10 +0000
                Re: Grammar Gripe Tom Stiller <clusterfux.upmon@gmail.com> - 2014-01-03 01:21 +0000
                Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-02 21:21 -0500
          Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-28 10:34 -0800
        Re: Grammar Gripe dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2013-12-28 22:17 +1100
        Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-28 11:06 -0500
          Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-28 09:15 -0800
            Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-29 09:42 +1300
            Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-28 16:08 -0500
              Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-28 14:01 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-28 17:49 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-28 18:04 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-28 19:06 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-28 22:17 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-28 22:38 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-12-29 01:12 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-28 21:41 -0800
            Re: Grammar Gripe Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-30 04:27 +0000
              Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-30 00:51 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-12-30 01:54 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-30 11:57 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2013-12-30 07:39 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-12-30 08:55 -0700
                Re: Grammar Gripe JoeWolfDee <joedid@email.com> - 2013-12-30 11:13 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-12-30 17:11 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-12-30 18:29 -0700
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-30 17:32 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-31 15:56 +1300
                Re: Grammar Gripe Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-12-30 21:32 -0700
                Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-30 20:44 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-31 18:25 +1300
                Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-30 22:41 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-31 10:41 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-31 15:27 +0000
                Re: Grammar Gripe Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-12-31 14:42 -0700
                Re: Grammar Gripe JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-12-31 02:33 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-31 10:42 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-01 09:50 +1300
                Re: Grammar Gripe Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-12-31 14:24 -0700
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-31 14:51 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-31 17:09 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-01 09:34 +0000
                Re: Grammar Gripe John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2014-01-10 18:16 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2013-12-31 13:04 +0100
                Re: Grammar Gripe Tom Stiller <clusterfux.upmon@gmail.com> - 2013-12-31 03:03 +0000
                Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-30 20:44 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2014-01-10 18:20 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-11 16:17 +1300
                Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-31 18:29 +1300
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-31 10:46 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-31 14:31 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-31 12:42 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-30 09:27 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2013-12-30 19:29 +0100
                Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-30 11:52 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-30 16:12 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-30 17:53 +0000
          Re: Grammar Gripe dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2013-12-29 08:01 +1100
      Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-28 05:31 -0500
        Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-28 10:39 -0800
          Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-28 14:38 -0500
            Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-28 12:55 -0800
              Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-29 10:28 +1300
              Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-28 17:59 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-12-28 18:58 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-28 23:26 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-28 21:46 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-12-29 01:21 -0500
      Re: Grammar Gripe Paul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net> - 2013-12-28 09:23 -0800
        Re: Grammar Gripe dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2013-12-29 08:44 +1100
      Re: Grammar Gripe Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-30 04:22 +0000
        Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-29 21:13 -0800
          Re: Grammar Gripe Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-30 00:21 -0500
            Re: Grammar Gripe Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-12-29 22:44 -0700
            Re: Grammar Gripe Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-12-29 21:49 -0800
              Re: Grammar Gripe Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-12-30 09:26 +0000
          Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-30 12:14 -0500
            Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-30 09:23 -0800
              Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-30 12:51 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-30 16:11 -0800
                Re: Grammar Gripe J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-30 21:13 -0500
            Re: Grammar Gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-12-30 11:54 -0800
              Re: Grammar Gripe JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-12-30 17:26 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-12-30 22:41 +0000
                Re: Grammar Gripe JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-12-30 18:11 -0500
                Re: Grammar Gripe Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-12-30 23:25 +0000
        Re: Grammar Gripe Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-12-29 22:37 -0700
          Re: Uniqueness Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2013-12-31 13:21 +0100
            Re: Uniqueness gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-31 10:52 -0800
            Re: Uniqueness Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-12-31 14:47 -0700
              Re: Uniqueness gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-31 14:55 -0800
              Re: Uniqueness Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-01-01 00:32 +0100
  Re: Grammar Gripe Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2013-12-22 23:33 +0100
  Re: Grammar Gripe Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2013-12-23 10:57 +1100
  Re: Grammar Gripe bob <rcp27g@gmail.com> - 2013-12-23 00:00 +0000
  Re: Grammar Gripe RonTheGuy@null.invalid (Ron) - 2013-12-27 21:36 -0800
    Re: Grammar Gripe Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-28 18:55 +1300

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