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Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray

From Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid>
Newsgroups alt.folklore.computers
Subject Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray
Date 2015-10-08 08:39 +0200
Organization Me, Myself and I
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In article <60111e8e-e130-43e5-81b6-508e91d3eaaa@googlegroups.com>,
 <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:
>On Wednesday, October 7, 2015 at 5:50:50 PM UTC-4, Jon Elson wrote:
>
>> Oh, yes, I think the guys who just STAYED in 1401 mode were running a nearly 
>> all-card or card and tape shop.  Once you had disks on the machine, the 
>> advantage of 360 mode just had to be a huge reason to update the system.
>
>The 1401 had disks, and emulation included emulating a 1401 disk on a 360 disk.  Not as efficient as native mode, and wasted
>space.  However, it meant 1401 programs could still run unchanged (more below).
>
>
>
>> > Indeed, many places ran 1401 code into the 1990s.
> 
>> Ugh, how horrid!  1990's???  Geez, you could do whatever you wanted on a 
>> network-connected PC by then!  Even in Cobol, if you must!  I can't IMAGINE 
>> the hair-pulling hassle of trying to debug a program bug in emulated 1401 on 
>> a 360/30 from the console switches!  YIKES, what a horror movie that would 
>> be, compared to decent debug facilities on modern OS's.
>
>The issue was the high cost of rewriting an existing system that was working.  If the existing system meant the user's needs,
>as many did, the user would seriously question spending money to rewrite it.
>
>Remember, on Z series, there are plenty of 30-40 year old COBOL systems still in service; a _single_ large application could
>cost millions of dollars to rewrite.

The transaction system for national interbanking money handling in .no
still use the ~1975 core made by IDA, expanded and maintained, for a
few more months. They got the rewrite going into production on the third
attempt this summer, and the two are running in parallell for another
year after that; with the new system feeding the old, and the results
compared for correctness.

These systems grew transaction links over networks to more than 100
different systems, initially as tapes but running spooled batches over
comms links for the last 30 years. They all need to be kept in production.

We see direct benefits from this already, The daily batch runs that 
updated banking across banks became 4 times a day two years ago, and now
they are run every 15 minutes.

>> Obviously, they weren't running 1401 emulation on a 360/30 in the 1990's.
>Well, not on a /30, but on whatever model IBM mainframe was in use at that time.
>
>
>> Yes, of course, there were huge advanges in moving up to larger machines 
>> with serious OS support, better languages, comms, big disks, etc. but some 
>> of that could NOT be done on the /30, due to some of its limitations.  The 
>> models /22 and /25 went up to 16-bit memory, and relieved some of these 
>> bottlenecks.
>
>Well, obviously is an organization's needs have grown, then it would time to trade in the 360/30 for a larger machine.  Many
>places did just that (ours went from a /30 to a /40 after two years as more applications were added to it.)  That was a key
>design feature of S/360--allowing upgrades without rewriting code--not as common in the pre-360 era.  For instance, large
>machines had a different addressing structure than small machines, in S/360 addressing was universal.

For the IDA systems that worked with at least 5 different hardware generations.

-- mrr

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the legacy of Seymour Cray RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2015-10-02 23:17 +0300
  Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-10-02 13:41 -0700
    Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-02 17:19 -0700
      Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-05 16:30 -0500
        Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-05 17:24 -0700
          Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-06 16:16 -0500
      Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-10-06 12:07 -0700
        Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Al Kossow <aek@bitsavers.org> - 2015-10-06 12:12 -0700
          Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-06 17:18 -0700
            Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2015-10-07 14:23 -0500
  Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-10-02 20:52 +0000
    Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray "Joe Morris" <j.c.morris@verizon.net> - 2015-10-02 19:04 -0400
      Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray philo <philo@privacy.net> - 2015-10-03 05:37 -0500
      Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-10-03 08:47 -0700
        Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray     wje@acm.org (Bill Evans) - 2015-10-03 08:59 -0700
        Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-03 09:58 -0700
      Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-10-03 12:22 -0700
  Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Al Kossow <aek@bitsavers.org> - 2015-10-02 15:36 -0700
    Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-05 16:16 -0500
  Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-10-02 17:47 -0700
  Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-03 04:55 -0700
    Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-10-03 12:39 -0700
      Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-03 12:56 -0700
      Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> - 2015-10-03 20:29 +0000
        Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-03 20:43 -0700
      Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-10-03 13:51 -0700
        Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2015-10-05 12:10 -0500
          Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-05 16:38 -0500
            Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2015-10-05 16:58 -0500
              Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2015-10-05 17:18 -0500
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-06 17:00 +0000
                Re: fare collection hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-10-06 11:58 -0700
                Re: fare collection Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-07 01:17 +0000
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray The New Other Guy <Newsgnus@gmail.com> - 2015-10-11 22:44 -0700
              Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-05 17:31 -0700
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2015-10-05 23:26 -0500
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray The New Other Guy <Newsgnus@gmail.com> - 2015-10-06 00:54 -0700
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-06 07:44 -0700
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2015-10-06 14:59 -0500
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-10-06 14:47 -0700
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2015-10-06 18:03 -0500
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray terry+googleblog@tmk.com - 2015-10-06 16:22 -0700
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2015-10-06 23:22 -0500
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-07 18:33 -0400
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-10-07 07:54 -0700
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2015-10-07 14:33 -0500
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-10-07 14:08 -0700
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2015-10-07 16:52 -0500
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-07 19:30 -0400
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2015-10-07 18:58 -0600
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-10-07 19:25 -0700
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-08 12:20 -0400
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-07 20:27 -0700
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-08 12:20 -0400
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-10-08 09:47 -0700
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-08 14:10 -0400
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-08 14:25 -0700
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-08 20:25 -0400
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-09 16:27 -0500
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-09 17:47 -0700
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2015-10-11 13:30 -0500
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-10-09 18:40 -0700
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-10 16:12 +0000
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2015-10-11 13:27 -0500
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-11 15:01 -0400
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-10-11 18:45 -0700
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-11 22:28 -0400
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2015-10-12 13:44 -0500
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-12 09:55 -0400
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-12 08:36 -0700
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-12 16:41 +0000
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2015-10-08 14:52 -0500
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-08 09:00 -0400
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-08 18:29 +0000
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-08 15:06 -0400
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-10-08 12:17 -0700
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-08 16:33 -0400
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray "Joe Morris" <j.c.morris@verizon.net> - 2015-10-09 19:40 -0400
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-10 16:12 +0000
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-08 14:35 -0700
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-09 00:07 -0700
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-09 00:10 -0700
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray "Joe Morris" <j.c.morris@verizon.net> - 2015-10-09 20:01 -0400
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray "Joe Morris" <j.c.morris@verizon.net> - 2015-10-09 19:38 -0400
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-10-09 18:59 -0700
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-10 09:00 -0400
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-10 16:12 +0000
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-11 08:16 -0400
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-11 14:15 +0000
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-12 15:39 -0500
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-12 19:41 -0400
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-10-13 07:43 -0700
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-10-13 12:18 -0700
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-10-11 16:37 -0700
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-12 16:41 +0000
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-10-12 16:21 -0700
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray "Joe Morris" <j.c.morris@verizon.net> - 2015-10-12 19:54 -0400
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-13 18:23 +0000
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-10-13 12:28 -0700
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-10-13 21:08 -0700
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-10-11 08:35 -0400
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-11 08:40 -0400
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-10-11 12:13 -0400
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-10-10 19:32 -0700
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-10 22:51 -0400
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2015-10-11 13:37 -0500
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray "Joe Morris" <j.c.morris@verizon.net> - 2015-10-10 12:07 -0400
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-09 13:23 +0000
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2015-10-08 14:37 -0500
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-10-08 13:16 -0700
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-10-08 13:32 -0700
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-08 20:11 -0400
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2015-10-09 13:57 -0500
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2015-10-09 21:46 -0500
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-09 16:47 +0000
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-09 18:18 +0000
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-10-07 19:39 -0700
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-08 05:14 +0000
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-10-08 07:47 -0700
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Stephen Wolstenholme <steve@easynn.com> - 2015-10-08 16:03 +0100
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2015-10-08 15:00 -0500
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-10-08 08:39 +0200
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2015-10-08 08:57 -0600
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2015-10-08 14:57 -0500
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-10-08 13:30 -0700
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2015-10-09 23:36 -0500
                Re: IBM disks, was the legacy of Seymour Cray John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> - 2015-10-10 05:18 +0000
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-10 09:16 -0400
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-10 11:20 -0400
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2015-10-11 13:42 -0500
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-10-10 18:08 -0700
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Alan Bowler <atbowler@thinkage.ca> - 2016-01-08 13:12 -0500
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-08 10:34 -0800
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Alan Bowler <atbowler@thinkage.ca> - 2016-01-13 15:39 -0500
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-14 08:03 -0500
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Alan Bowler <atbowler@thinkage.ca> - 2016-01-14 13:10 -0500
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2016-01-14 14:49 -0500
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-14 15:00 -0500
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2016-01-14 14:28 -0600
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-14 19:57 -0500
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2016-01-14 22:24 -0600
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-15 14:51 +0000
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-15 16:40 +0100
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2016-01-15 14:18 -0500
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray timcaffrey420@gmail.com - 2016-01-15 15:57 -0800
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-01-15 22:22 +0000
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-18 15:24 +0000
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-01-18 16:35 +0000
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-18 17:46 +0000
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-14 11:13 -0800
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-08 19:57 +0000
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-01-08 21:50 +0000
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Alan Bowler <atbowler@thinkage.ca> - 2016-01-14 13:23 -0500
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-08 14:27 -0800
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2016-01-09 13:31 -0600
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-09 17:22 -0500
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Alan Bowler <atbowler@thinkage.ca> - 2016-01-14 13:30 -0500
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2016-01-08 17:01 -0600
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-09 01:10 +0000
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2016-01-08 22:33 -0600
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2015-10-09 23:43 -0500
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-08 05:14 +0000
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2015-10-07 16:34 -0500
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-07 19:38 -0400
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-10-07 19:17 -0700
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-08 05:14 +0000
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-08 12:20 -0400
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-10-08 09:45 -0700
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-08 14:05 -0400
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2015-10-08 15:06 -0500
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-08 16:20 -0400
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-08 16:35 -0400
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-10-09 18:12 -0700
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-10 00:22 -0400
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-10-07 23:44 +0200
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-07 18:33 -0400
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2015-10-08 14:36 -0400
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-10-08 11:57 -0700
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-10-08 12:51 -0700
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2015-10-08 21:09 -0600
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray terry+googleblog@tmk.com - 2015-10-09 06:12 -0700
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2015-10-08 15:12 -0500
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2015-10-08 17:47 -0400
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-09 16:32 -0500
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-10-08 12:12 -0700
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-10-08 21:40 +0200
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-08 16:33 -0400
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-10-06 17:32 -0700
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-07 01:17 +0000
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2015-10-06 23:29 -0500
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-10-07 08:13 -0700
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray The New Other Guy <Newsgnus@gmail.com> - 2015-10-11 22:51 -0700
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2015-10-06 23:19 -0500
              Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Al Kossow <aek@bitsavers.org> - 2015-10-06 11:44 -0700
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-06 16:24 -0500
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray simon@twoplaces.co.uk (Simon Turner) - 2015-10-08 11:33 +0100
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-10-08 13:13 +0200
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-08 12:20 -0400
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray simon@twoplaces.co.uk (Simon Turner) - 2015-10-09 10:32 +0100
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-08 15:42 -0500
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray simon@twoplaces.co.uk (Simon Turner) - 2015-10-09 11:19 +0100
              Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray The New Other Guy <Newsgnus@gmail.com> - 2015-10-11 22:34 -0700
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2015-10-12 23:23 -0500
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-13 10:36 -0400
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2015-10-13 11:39 -0500
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-13 18:23 +0000
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-13 10:51 -0700
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-13 18:34 +0000
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-13 14:59 -0700
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2015-10-13 17:47 -0500
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-14 03:15 +0000
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-10-14 07:07 +0000
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2015-10-13 17:43 -0500
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-14 05:39 +0000
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-14 13:11 +0000
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray "Joe Morris" <j.c.morris@verizon.net> - 2015-10-13 20:52 -0400
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-10-13 14:43 -0400
            Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-05 17:26 -0700
              Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-10-05 18:43 -0700
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-10-05 22:32 -0700
              Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2015-10-05 23:33 -0500
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-06 08:03 -0700
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-06 16:36 -0500
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray The New Other Guy <Newsgnus@gmail.com> - 2015-10-11 22:53 -0700
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray pechter@S20.pechter.dyndns.org (William Pechter) - 2015-10-10 15:54 +0000
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2015-10-11 13:51 -0500
              Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-06 16:30 -0500
                Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray "Joe Morris" <j.c.morris@verizon.net> - 2015-10-06 19:44 -0400
      Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2015-10-05 12:02 -0500
      Re: the legacy of Seymour Cray "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-05 16:46 -0500

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