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Re: Time to boycot the Ding-Dongs!

From Aragorn <stryder@telenet.be.invalid>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.networking
Subject Re: Time to boycot the Ding-Dongs!
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Date 2013-03-11 21:09 +0100
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On Monday 11 March 2013 16:13, J G Miller conveyed the following to 
comp.os.linux.networking...

> Op zondag, 10 mars, 2013, om 23:26:27u +0100, schreef Aragorn:
> 
>> South Africa is no longer an Oranje-Vrijstaat.  It has already been a
>> completely independent republic for quite some time.
> 
> QUOTE
> 
>    Oranje Vrijstaat (Afrikaans: Oranje-Vrystaat, Engels: Orange Free
>    State) was van 1910 tot *1994* een provincie van Zuid-Afrika.
> 
> UNQUOTE
> 
> When the new ANC regime came to power in 1994, they redrew the map
> and abolished the four provinces including Oranje-Vrystaat, and
> created ten new ones, including a smaller Vrystaat.
> 
>     <http://nl.wikipedia.ORG/wiki/Vrijstaat_%28provincie%29>
> 
> Hence Chris Glurr's continual reference to "failed state".

My apologies.  I am quite familiar with South Africa as I have close 
friends who live there, but I was under the impression that the term 
Oranje-Vrijstaat was the Dutch name for South Africa before it became an 
independent nation.  I should have verified this first.

Also, I wasn't really aware that Chris Glurr was from South Africa.  I 
had assumed him British or North-American.  Either way, he's in my 
killfile, for multiple reasons, but most significantly his rudeness 
towards people trying to humor him in.

> Incidentally RSA has an unemployment rate similar to that of Wallonie.

That's because the South African regime is imbued with corruption, just 
like the Walloon Region - not that there isn't any corruption in the 
Flanders Region or the Brussels Capitol Region either.

When South Africa abolished Apartheid and Nelson Mandela was elected 
president of the republic, most South Africans had their hopes up very 
high, but Mandela could only be president for two terms and he was too 
old to run for elections again after the two terms of his successor 
Thabo Mbeki.  And Mbeki was quite a passive president without a clear 
vision on how to handle the sudden shift in power when Apartheid ceased.  

The ANC is the biggest political party in South Africa, but it isn't 
really a political party by way of its vision, because it is just a 
loose collective of freedom fighters from before the end of Apartheid, 
and their common cause was the abolishment of Apartheid only, without 
any consensus on where to take it from there.  The only thing that 
united the members of the ANC was their quest to get Apartheid abolished 
and take away power from the white minority.

Many years of Apartheid and oppression from the white minority in South 
Africa had created a very deep, brooding hatred, and suddenly this 
oppression fell away, without a controlled transition into a fairly 
organized society.  Racism flourished both among the old proponents of 
Apartheid and among the colored South Africans, and crime rates went up 
drastically, as did corruption - which is itself also a crime, of 
course.  There is also a problem with refugees from Zimbabwe, who are 
accused of stealing the jobs of the native South Africans, as well as a 
problem with organized crime gangs moving in from other African nations 
- mostly Nigerians, or so I've heard.

Mandela tried to make things right, but he didn't have enough time.  HIs 
successor Mbeki didn't do anything to make it right at all.  And now 
there's Jacob Zuma, someone who himself has already been accused of 
crimes such as rape and corruption, and who doesn't have a political 
vision either, except maybe something akin to the political convictions 
and self-serving motivations of his despotic friend Robert Mugabe in 
Zimbabwe.

The Rainbow Nation is up for grabs these days.  It's a total chaos down 
there.  The cops are so afraid of the criminals that they either refuse 
to come out when a crime is being reported, or that they take bribes.  
Apartheid was wrong in every possible way and for ever possible reason, 
but what has become of that beautiful country now is even worse.  

It is sad.  Very sad.

-- 
= Aragorn =

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Which SSL is links using? Avoid9Pdf@gmail.com - 2013-03-09 19:49 +0000
  Time to boycot the Ding-Dongs! J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2013-03-09 20:19 +0000
    Re: Time to boycot the Ding-Dongs! Aragorn <stryder@telenet.be.invalid> - 2013-03-09 21:34 +0100
      Re: Time to boycot the Ding-Dongs! J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2013-03-09 20:59 +0000
      Re: Time to boycot the Ding-Dongs! "Vince Coen" <VBCoen@gmail.com> - 2013-03-10 18:47 +0000
        Re: Time to boycot the Ding-Dongs! J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2013-03-10 21:02 +0000
          Re: Time to boycot the Ding-Dongs! Aragorn <stryder@telenet.be.invalid> - 2013-03-10 23:26 +0100
            Re: Time to boycot the Ding-Dongs! J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2013-03-11 15:13 +0000
              Re: Time to boycot the Ding-Dongs! Aragorn <stryder@telenet.be.invalid> - 2013-03-11 21:09 +0100
                Re: Time to boycot the Ding-Dongs! J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2013-03-11 21:14 +0000
                Re: Time to boycot the Ding-Dongs! Aragorn <stryder@telenet.be.invalid> - 2013-03-11 23:32 +0100
        Re: Time to boycot the Ding-Dongs! Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2013-03-13 21:29 -0400
          Re: Time to boycot the Ding-Dongs! J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2013-03-14 01:54 +0000
            Re: Time to boycot the Ding-Dongs! Alastair Black <abqab.nemo@example.net> - 2013-03-15 11:28 -0600
              Re: Time to boycot the Ding-Dongs! J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2013-03-15 21:05 +0000
                Re: Time to boycot the Ding-Dongs! Alastair Black <abqab.nemo@example.net> - 2013-03-15 17:05 -0600
                Re: Time to boycot the Ding-Dongs! J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2013-03-15 23:43 +0000
  Re: Which SSL is links using? Keith Keller <kkeller-usenet@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> - 2013-03-09 14:21 -0800
    Re: Which SSL is links using? Avoid9Pdf@gmail.com - 2013-03-10 15:18 +0000
      Re: Which SSL is links using? Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2013-03-10 15:32 +0000

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