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Re: Readability part I - code

From Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c
Subject Re: Readability part I - code
Date 2015-07-15 07:23 -0700
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Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> writes:

> Tim Rentsch wrote:
>> Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> Tim Rentsch wrote:
>>>> Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> Tim Rentsch wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hmmm.  Are you saying that
>>>>>>
>>>>>>      (a) using an additional line has a cost but the cost is minor;
>>>>>>      (b) using an additional line has no cost;  or
>>>>>>      (c) using an additional line is a benefit?
>>>>>
>>>>> Answered in reply to another post before I read this one.
>>>>
>>>> I read (and responded) to your other posting, but I don't
>>>> see how it addresses or answers this question.
>>>
>>> I would say yes to (a) and (c).
>>
>> My question was meant as choose only one, but thank you
>> for the answer.
>
> The choices weren't mutually exclusive!

They were meant to be mutually exclusive in what I was trying to
ask.  Sorry not to have expressed that more clearly.

>>> Yes on a tiny screen the extra line may have a cost in terms of
>>> visible code.
>>
>> It should have roughly the same percentage cost on all
>> screens, regardless of size.
>
> Correct, but the importance of layout changes with screen size.  With
> a small screen (or in a book) you want to see a much code as possible,
> so a condensed style is better.  With a larger screen aesthetics are
> more important:  we see more of the bigger picture.  So I guess you
> could say my preferred style reflects my preferred development
> environment.

This sounds like the same argument in a different guise:  for
you the benefit of putting open braces on lines by themselves
outweighs the cost of taking extra space, because the placement
by itself has value.  If you were forced to work in an
environment where your display was limited to, say, 40 lines, do
you think your layout preference would change?  That strikes me
as pretty unlikely.  You are probably right that the space cost
is less of a burden with 100+ lines to work with, but I doubt
that it's as much less as just dividing two sizes would suggest.
Human visual systems have ergonomic limits independent of the
display medium.  For example, reading prose the widest lines
that are comfortable is somewhere in the range of 70 to 75
characters;  if you try to read ordinary text that is much
wider, such as 90 characters, I think you will find it is fairly
difficult over any significant period.  It's no accident that
almost all books observe about the same width limit.  Similarly
I'm sure there is a limit in height for what the human eye is
comfortable reading, and text of any sort that is 10% longer is
going to bump into that limit more often.  I think it's more
likely that your preferred development environment is a
consequence of your preferred layout style than the other
way around.  Would you agree?

>>> On a decent screen (my current IDE window has 550 lines
>>> of visible code!) to my eye it makes it easier to read.
>>
>> Presumably you are counting multiple columns, since if it
>> were a single column (assuming 8 point type, which is
>> already pretty small) the screen would be over 5 feet tall.
>
> Yes, I have 5 columns, with a 12 point font.
>
>> In any case, whether it is single column or multi-column,
>> the cost is still about 10% (and here I am assuming that
>> most of the files you're looking at are more than a single
>> column-height long, which I think is a fair assumption).
>
> It probably is, but the benefit outweighs the cost.

Not to repeat the point unduly, the benefit as you perceive
or conceptualize the structure.  In my perception the benefit
in this case is negative, making it all loss and no gain.

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Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-04-15 11:46 -0700
  Re: Readability part I - code Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2015-04-15 19:55 +0000
    Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-04-30 02:00 -0700
  Re: Readability part I - code Xcott Craver <xcottcraver@gmail.com> - 2015-04-15 13:19 -0700
    Re: Readability part I - code Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2015-04-16 13:08 +0000
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  Re: Readability part I - code pa@see.signature.invalid (Pierre Asselin) - 2015-04-16 01:01 +0000
    Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-04-30 02:37 -0700
      Re: Readability part I - code pa@see.signature.invalid (Pierre Asselin) - 2015-05-01 02:07 +0000
        Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-01 04:29 -0700
  Readability part I - code asetofsymbols@gmail.com - 2015-04-16 00:13 -0700
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    Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-04-30 02:46 -0700
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            Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-03 09:11 -0700
  Re: Readability part I - code Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-04-16 00:19 -0700
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        Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-01 05:10 -0700
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  Re: Readability part I - code David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-04-16 11:01 +0200
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            Re: Readability part I - code David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-04-17 15:04 +0200
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          Re: Readability part I - code Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-04-17 12:24 -0500
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          Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-01 06:25 -0700
            Re: Readability part I - code David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-05-02 15:53 +0200
              Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-03 10:42 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-05-04 09:41 +0200
                Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-05 07:01 -0700
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                Re: Readability part I - code Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-05-07 21:49 +0100
                Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-11 13:22 -0700
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                Re: Readability part I - code Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-05-07 00:20 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-05-06 10:43 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-05-06 13:11 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-06 19:48 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-05-07 11:51 -0700
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                Re: Readability part I - code Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-05-08 10:53 -0500
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                Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-06 19:36 -0700
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                Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-07 14:16 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-07 11:43 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-05-07 12:02 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-07 13:36 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-05-07 15:09 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-05-07 17:13 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-05-07 18:07 -0700
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                Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-11 11:41 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-05-11 13:59 -0500
                Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-10 10:27 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-05-10 10:50 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-05-10 19:09 +0100
                Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-12 04:54 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-05-12 13:19 +0100
                Re: Readability part I - code Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-05-12 05:26 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-05-12 08:31 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-05-12 16:40 +0100
                Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-20 10:28 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-05-10 11:39 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-12 05:33 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-05-07 17:59 -0500
                Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-11 09:20 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-05-11 09:37 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-05-11 09:40 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-05-11 09:46 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-05-11 09:53 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-05-11 13:47 -0500
                Re: Readability part I - code Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-05-11 20:04 +0100
                Re: Readability part I - code Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-05-11 12:39 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Nathan Wagner <nw@hydaspes.if.org> - 2015-05-12 07:34 +0000
                Re: Readability part I - code raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-05-12 10:58 +0000
                Re: Readability part I - code Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-05-11 21:00 +0100
                Re: Readability part I - code Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-05-11 21:18 +0100
                Re: Readability part I - code Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-05-11 23:37 +0100
                Re: Readability part I - code Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-05-12 00:07 +0100
                Re: Readability part I - code Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-05-11 16:52 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-05-12 01:19 +0100
                Re: Readability part I - code Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-05-12 01:43 +0100
                Re: Readability part I - code raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-05-12 11:00 +0000
                Re: Readability part I - code Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-05-12 12:33 +0100
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                Re: Readability part I - code David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-05-21 08:50 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-25 02:06 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-05-25 09:25 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-07-10 07:35 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-07-10 15:53 +0100
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                Re: Readability part I - code Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-07-10 16:30 +0100
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                Re: Readability part I - code Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-05-12 11:43 +0100
                Re: Readability part I - code asetofsymbols@gmail.com - 2015-05-12 05:16 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code asetofsymbols@gmail.com - 2015-05-12 05:34 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-05-12 22:52 +0100
                Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-21 03:45 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-05-21 12:53 +0100
                Re: Readability part I - code asetofsymbols@gmail.com - 2015-05-21 11:01 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-05-21 20:18 +0100
                Re: Readability part I - code Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-05-21 21:47 +0100
                Re: Readability part I - code Kusalananda <kusalananda@example.com> - 2015-05-24 07:12 +0000
                Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-07-10 08:59 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-07-10 09:18 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-05-22 07:15 +1200
                Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-07-10 08:53 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-07-11 14:09 +1200
                Re: Readability part I - code Reinhardt Behm <rbehm@hushmail.com> - 2015-07-11 10:37 +0800
                Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-07-11 12:51 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-07-12 10:20 +1200
                Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-07-15 07:23 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code jadill33@gmail.com - 2015-05-11 13:30 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-05-11 21:56 +0100
                Re: Readability part I - code Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-05-11 23:14 -0500
                Re: Readability part I - code Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-05-12 08:15 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-05-12 16:38 +0100
                Re: Readability part I - code Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-05-12 11:38 -0500
                Re: Readability part I - code Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-05-12 17:58 +0100
                Re: Readability part I - code Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-05-12 13:44 -0500
                Re: Readability part I - code Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-05-12 11:32 -0500
                Re: Readability part I - code Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-05-12 11:14 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-21 03:27 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-05-21 08:41 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-24 18:12 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-05-24 19:20 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-07-10 08:51 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-07-10 11:35 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-07-10 14:54 -0400
                Re: Readability part I - code James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-07-10 15:10 -0400
                Re: Readability part I - code glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-07-10 20:51 +0000
                Re: Readability part I - code Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-07-10 13:22 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-07-10 20:47 +0000
                Re: Readability part I - code Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-07-10 17:05 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Rosario19 <Ros@invalid.invalid> - 2015-07-11 11:04 +0200
                Re: Readability part I - code Reinhardt Behm <rbehm@hushmail.com> - 2015-07-11 18:06 +0800
                Re: Readability part I - code Rosario19 <Ros@invalid.invalid> - 2015-07-11 14:57 +0200
                Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-07-11 09:20 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-07-11 20:06 +0000
                Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-07-15 04:55 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-07-11 13:26 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-07-15 06:29 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-20 13:49 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-21 07:12 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-21 15:26 +0000
                Re: Readability part I - code Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-05-22 11:36 -0500
                Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-24 13:50 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-24 23:01 +0000
                Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-07-10 08:42 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-07-10 17:37 +0000
                Re: Readability part I - code David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-07-10 10:59 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-12 16:47 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-05-16 17:03 -0500
                Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-23 06:52 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-11 11:23 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-05-11 23:52 -0500
                Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-20 09:29 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-05-24 14:56 -0500
                Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-07-10 08:30 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-07-10 11:04 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-10 18:39 -0500
                Re: Readability part I - code Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-07-10 17:02 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-07-11 01:23 +0100
                Re: Readability part I - code Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-07-10 17:48 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-07-11 10:50 +0100
                Re: Readability part I - code Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-07-11 06:55 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-07-11 15:23 +0100
                Re: Readability part I - code Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-07-11 08:14 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-07-11 07:53 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-07-11 22:04 +0100
                Re: Readability part I - code Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-07-11 14:51 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2015-07-11 20:05 -0400
                Re: Readability part I - code Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-07-12 01:31 +0100
                Re: Readability part I - code Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-07-11 18:24 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-07-12 19:00 +0100
                Re: Readability part I - code Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-07-13 13:24 +0100
                Re: Readability part I - code Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-07-13 06:11 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-07-11 23:09 +0100
                Re: Readability part I - code Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-07-11 23:21 +0100
                Re: Readability part I - code Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-07-11 17:35 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-07-12 01:43 +0100
                Re: Readability part I - code Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-07-12 10:31 +0100
                Re: Readability part I - code Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-07-12 16:12 +0100
                Re: Readability part I - code Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-07-12 18:02 +0100
                Re: Readability part I - code Philip Lantz <prl@canterey.us> - 2015-07-12 11:16 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-07-12 21:06 +0100
                Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-07-11 15:44 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-07-11 16:15 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-07-15 13:50 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-07-11 20:13 +0000
                Re: Readability part I - code Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-07-11 23:01 +0100
                Re: Readability part I - code Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-07-11 17:28 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-07-12 01:53 +0100
                Re: Readability part I - code glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-07-12 00:45 +0000
                Re: Readability part I - code Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-07-12 01:55 +0100
                Re: Readability part I - code glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-07-12 02:44 +0000
                Re: Readability part I - code Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2015-07-12 16:51 -0500
                Re: Readability part I - code Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-07-11 10:25 +0100
                Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-07-11 07:52 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-11 09:25 -0500
                Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-07-11 13:15 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-05-08 16:15 +0000
                Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-11 11:35 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-05-11 23:56 -0500
                Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-12 11:53 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-05-12 20:01 +0100
                Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-23 07:09 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-05-17 10:12 +0000
                Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-23 07:43 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-05-25 14:51 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-05-26 09:17 +0000
                Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-07-10 07:44 -0700
    Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-04-30 03:19 -0700
      Re: Readability part I - code David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-04-30 14:04 +0200
        Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-01 08:07 -0700
          Re: Readability part I - code Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-05-02 09:18 +1200
            Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-03 10:10 -0700
              Re: Readability part I - code Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-05-03 10:43 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-05-03 19:47 +0200
                Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-03 13:40 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-05-04 12:10 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-05 06:45 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-05-05 09:06 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-05 20:27 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-05-06 10:33 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-06 19:33 -0700
  Re: Readability part I - code Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2015-04-16 12:28 -0500
    Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-04-30 03:42 -0700
  Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-04-30 01:40 -0700

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