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Re: Bullets do not share the velocity of the police car.

From whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: Bullets do not share the velocity of the police car.
Date 2023-06-24 00:07 -0500
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On 6/23/2023 10:22 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 8:20:10 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 8:15:23 PM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
>>> On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 8:05:44 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 7:49:53 PM UTC-7, whodat wrote:
>>>>> On 6/23/2023 2:11 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
>>>>>> On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 11:58:22 AM UTC-7, whodat wrote:
>>>>>>> On 6/23/2023 12:51 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 9:50:53 AM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 9:49:25 AM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> The bullets seem to share the velocity of the police car only because a mathematical transformation has been applied.
>>>>>>>>> Throw something in the moving police car and it shares the movement of the car and has its own.
>>>>>>>>> Galilean relativity shows shared motion. Drop something while moving and it continues in that direction
>>>>>>>>> as it falls...
>>>>>>>> Both light and bullets behave as if they share the velocity of the source.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Light requires a mathematical transformation so perhaps bullets do as well.
>>>>>>> Think about this a bit. Both light and bullets are physical entities. A
>>>>>>> mathematical transformation is completely artificial, you cannot hand
>>>>>>> me one to examine at my kitchen table. Mathematics is a shorthand that
>>>>>>> is used to explain physical phenomena but can do nothing to alter how
>>>>>>> anything behaves.
>>>>>>>> How can a mathematical transformation do this?
>>>>>>> How indeed.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Consider any number of questions posed by Mitch. They are always of this
>>>>>>> sort conflating artifice with physical reality. It is time we stopped
>>>>>>> playing into his hand.
>>>>>
>>>>>> It wasn't Mitch's fault. I was caricaturing relativity.
>>>>> It looks to me that you're considering Mitch's postings in the last
>>>>> few minutes while I am looking at his postings in terms of many years.
>>>> Do you not share the motions of the Earth?
>>>> In Galilean relativity the dropped object continues
>>>> to move with the horse... as it falls...
>>> So does light share the velocity of the source. That's why the Lorentz transformations and relativity are completely unnecessary.
>> Light has its own motion in space and atomics own motion does not contract space...
> So many unnecessary complications. What about parsimony? (Heard of Occam's razor?)

Keep on, you'll eventually get the message.

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Bullets do not share the velocity of the police car. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-22 09:49 -0700
  Re: Bullets do not share the velocity of the police car. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-22 11:38 -0700
  Re: Bullets do not share the velocity of the police car. "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 09:50 -0700
    Re: Bullets do not share the velocity of the police car. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-23 10:35 -0700
    Re: Bullets do not share the velocity of the police car. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-23 10:51 -0700
      Re: Bullets do not share the velocity of the police car. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-06-23 13:58 -0500
        Re: Bullets do not share the velocity of the police car. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-23 12:11 -0700
          Re: Bullets do not share the velocity of the police car. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-06-23 21:49 -0500
            Re: Bullets do not share the velocity of the police car. "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 20:05 -0700
              Re: Bullets do not share the velocity of the police car. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-23 20:15 -0700
                Re: Bullets do not share the velocity of the police car. "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 20:20 -0700
                Re: Bullets do not share the velocity of the police car. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-23 20:22 -0700
                Re: Bullets do not share the velocity of the police car. "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 21:47 -0700
                Re: Bullets do not share the velocity of the police car. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-06-24 00:07 -0500
      Re: Bullets do not share the velocity of the police car. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-06-24 11:23 -0400
        Re: Bullets do not share the velocity of the police car. Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2023-06-24 15:57 +0000
    Re: Bullets do not share the velocity of the police car. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-23 11:31 -0700
      Re: Bullets do not share the velocity of the police car. "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 18:55 -0700

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