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Re: What linux clients do gmail:smtp TLS/SSL

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In article <877gmjcf05.fsf@violet.siamics.net>, Ivan Shmakov <oneingray@gmail.com> wrote: 

> >>>>> David W Hodgins <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> writes:
> >>>>> On Thu, 07 Feb 2013 13:31:57 -0500, <Avoid9Pdf@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 	[Cross-posting to news:comp.internet.services.google.]
> 
Jees, I try to design a 'Subject' so that people can know what I'm
asking, but I forgot that many consider their monster-browser as
a smtp-client; which I supose it is.
OTOH I *did* write:
>  >> http: gmail is becoming unbearable, even with `links`.
...
> 	FWIW, I use Gnus/Emacs on my GNU/Linux system for both Usenet
> 	and email, including sending via Google Mail's :587 (RFC 6409.)
> 	My guess is that both Alpine and Mutt are capable of securely
> 	interfacing Google Mail, too.
> 
===snip from here, but file for reference: TLS-explanation & trace ===

> Resolving 'smtp.gmail.com'...
> Connecting to '2a00:1450:4010:c04::6d:587'...
> 
> - Simple Client Mode:
> 
> 220 mx.google.com ESMTP pz15sm16403877lab.3 - gsmtp
> EHLO MX.EXAMPLE.NET 
> 250-mx.google.com at your service, [2XXX:XXXX:XXXX:XXXX:XXXX:XXXX:XXXX:XXXX]
> 250-SIZE 35882577
> 250-8BITMIME
> 250-STARTTLS
> 250 ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES
> STARTTLS 
> 220 2.0.0 Ready to start TLS
> 
> 	[There, one sends EOF (C-d) for gnutls-cli(1) to start TLS.]  <--* ! OK !
> 
> *** Starting TLS handshake
> - Peer's certificate is trusted
> - The hostname in the certificate matches 'smtp.gmail.com'.
> - Session ID: 28:0B:94:74:7F:4A:5D:B7:72:DA:C6:EA:50:63:B8:6B:B9:C7:F7:02:61:60:8B:0E:81:63:45:CE:24:31:9C:30
> ....
> 
OK, that looks interesting.  Perhaps I'll try it. Previously I'd used gnus
for news. But probably gnus, passes the MTA job to sendmail,
and I don't want to SEE sendmail.

Every thing seems to have degenerated since the 90s.
My proper system: ETHOberon did:
1 klik to fetch the pop-dir [of articles at the ISP]
1 klik to select any dir-article & 1 klik to fetch it
1 klik to select a dir-article & 1 klik to delete it @ ISP
1 klik to select a dir-article & 1 klik to deleteALL following
1 klik to select a TextFrame-written-email & 1 klik to Send it

Later they introduced TxAuthenticate, so I extended it.
Yet later the ISP became unreliable and I switched gmail.
---------
Now I started up `mutt` again, which I had previously setup
for gmail.  But after I go off-line, I can't scroll through the dir.
I vaguely remember that it assumes you're on line all the time.
I.e. the amerikan dream of infinite-frontier and unlimited resources.
IIRC mutt needs sendmail setup, to reply. And `pine` would too.

How can you people tolerate this crap?
If I use [eg. links], to http:fetch the article-dir, I can only fetch 
ONE article from the article-dir, next time I go on-line.
Or do you open <a new page/screen> for each fetch and
keep the article-dir in its own page/screen?

Have you even noticed that the ratio of envelope to contents
of emails, has changed from 40:60  to 95:5 since the 90s?
All packaging and no contents.

How would I find if/where I've got TLS facilities ?
`man s_client` is good
`which s_client` is empty

== TIA.

 

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What linux clients do gmail:smtp TLS/SSL Avoid9Pdf@gmail.com - 2013-02-07 18:31 +0000
  Re: What linux clients do gmail:smtp TLS/SSL "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2013-02-07 14:59 -0500
    Re: What linux clients do gmail:smtp TLS/SSL Ivan Shmakov <oneingray@gmail.com> - 2013-02-08 09:48 +0000
      Re: What linux clients do gmail:smtp TLS/SSL Avoid9Pdf@gmail.com - 2013-02-08 13:42 +0000
        Re: What linux clients do gmail:smtp TLS/SSL Ivan Shmakov <oneingray@gmail.com> - 2013-02-08 21:32 +0000
        Re: What linux clients do gmail:smtp TLS/SSL Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2013-02-08 22:13 +0000
          Re: What linux clients do gmail:smtp TLS/SSL Ivan Shmakov <oneingray@gmail.com> - 2013-02-09 06:51 +0000
    Re: What linux clients do gmail:smtp TLS/SSL David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2013-02-08 11:25 +0100
  Re: What linux clients do gmail:smtp TLS/SSL David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2013-02-08 11:20 +0100
  Re: What linux clients do gmail:smtp TLS/SSL Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2013-02-08 21:54 +0000
    Re: What linux clients do gmail:smtp TLS/SSL Unknown <dog@gmail.com> - 2013-02-09 07:55 +0000
      TLS/SSL Ivan Shmakov <oneingray@gmail.com> - 2013-02-09 09:22 +0000
      Re: What linux clients do gmail:smtp TLS/SSL J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2013-02-09 15:14 +0000

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