Re: Initializing a malloc'ed struct whose fields are const with run-time values

From	Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.c
Subject	Re: Initializing a malloc'ed struct whose fields are const with run-time values
Date	2013-01-23 23:58 -0500
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On 1/23/2013 20:03, Ian Collins wrote:
> Shao Miller wrote:
>> On 1/23/2013 17:29, Ian Collins wrote:
>>> Shao Miller wrote:
>>>> On 1/23/2013 08:54, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> but 6.5.2.2 p2 says:
>>>>>
>>>>>      "Each argument shall have a type such that its value may be
>>>>> assigned
>>>>>      to an object with the unqualified version of the type of its
>>>>>      corresponding parameter."
>>>>>
>>>>> The phrase "unqualified version of the type" can't surely be
>>>>> intended to
>>>>> mean the recursive removal of all type qualifiers.  Elsewhere it
>>>>> simply
>>>>> means that the "top level" qualifiers are removed.  If that's the
>>>>> right
>>>>> interpretation, the call to bar should be a constraint violation.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Why?  The result of the call to 'foo' yields a 'struct toto', which is
>>>> not qualified (and also isn't an lvalue).
>>>
>>> I think Ben's point is the *parameter* value may be *assigned*, not the
>>> result of the expression.
>>>
>>> I see Sun c99, which rejects the return in foo, also accepts bar.
>>>
>>
>> As in, a constraint violation against 6.5.16p2?
>
> Yes.
>
>> If so, why would that constraint apply?
>
> Because of 6.5.2.2 p4, if you take the word "assigned" literally.
>

Did you mean if you _don't_ take it literally?  I don't see "assigned" 
as a defined term, so I assume it's plain English.  The Committee 
Response for Defect Report #212 includes "assigned" when their code 
shows initialization.

Considering 6.9.1p11, does its use of "assigned" make sense if one of 
the parameters was 'const'-qualified?  I don't think so.

>> There are still constraints in 6.5.16.1p1...  As asked elsethread, why pick out "modifiable" and not "lvalue"?  Do we need to worry about the constraints and semantics of 6.5.16.2?  Isn't backing up to 6.5.16 backing up too far?

6.7.3p4:

   "The properties associated with qualified types are meaningful only 
for expressions that are lvalues.132)"

The "object" in "object with the unqualified version of the type of its 
corresponding parameter" seems to me to be a theoretical object and not 
an lvalue.  It's not the parameter, for example, because the parameter 
could have a different type.  So I don't grok a constraint violation 
against 6.5.16p2.

-- 
- Shao Miller
--
"Thank you for the kind words; those are the kind of words I like to hear.

Cheerily,"  -- Richard Harter

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Initializing a malloc'ed struct whose fields are const with run-time values Noob <root@127.0.0.1> - 2013-01-22 16:36 +0100
  Re: Initializing a malloc'ed struct whose fields are const with run-time values Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com> - 2013-01-22 11:23 -0500
    Re: Initializing a malloc'ed struct whose fields are const with run-time values Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2013-01-22 21:26 +0000
      Re: Initializing a malloc'ed struct whose fields are const with run-time values James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2013-01-22 16:41 -0500
    Re: Initializing a malloc'ed struct whose fields are const with run-time values William Ahern <william@wilbur.25thandClement.com> - 2013-01-22 13:25 -0800
      Re: Initializing a malloc'ed struct whose fields are const with run-time values Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com> - 2013-01-22 23:17 -0500
    Re: Initializing a malloc'ed struct whose fields are const with run-time values Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2013-01-23 13:09 +0000
      Re: Initializing a malloc'ed struct whose fields are const with run-time values Noob <root@127.0.0.1> - 2013-01-23 14:16 +0100
        Re: Initializing a malloc'ed struct whose fields are const with run-time values "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2013-01-23 13:25 +0000
          Re: Initializing a malloc'ed struct whose fields are const with run-time values Noob <root@127.0.0.1> - 2013-01-23 15:21 +0100
            Re: Initializing a malloc'ed struct whose fields are const with run-time values Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2013-01-23 14:56 +0000
              Re: Initializing a malloc'ed struct whose fields are const with run-time values Noob <root@127.0.0.1> - 2013-01-23 16:40 +0100
                Re: Initializing a malloc'ed struct whose fields are const with run-time values Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2013-01-23 18:26 +0000
                Re: Initializing a malloc'ed struct whose fields are const with run-time values Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2013-01-23 20:39 -0800
            Re: Initializing a malloc'ed struct whose fields are const with run-time values Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com> - 2013-01-23 17:14 -0500
  Re: Initializing a malloc'ed struct whose fields are const with run-time values Ike Naar <ike@sverige.freeshell.org> - 2013-01-22 17:59 +0000
    Re: Initializing a malloc'ed struct whose fields are const with run-time values Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com> - 2013-01-22 14:09 -0500
      Re: Initializing a malloc'ed struct whose fields are const with run-time values Noob <root@localhost> - 2013-01-22 21:59 +0100
        Re: Initializing a malloc'ed struct whose fields are const with run-time values glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-01-22 21:19 +0000
        Re: Initializing a malloc'ed struct whose fields are const with run-time values Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com> - 2013-01-22 23:47 -0500
      Re: Initializing a malloc'ed struct whose fields are const with run-time values Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2013-01-22 21:05 +0000
        Re: Initializing a malloc'ed struct whose fields are const with run-time values Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com> - 2013-01-22 16:15 -0500
    Re: Initializing a malloc'ed struct whose fields are const with   run-time values Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2013-01-23 09:43 +1300
      Re: Initializing a malloc'ed struct whose fields are const with   run-time values William Ahern <william@wilbur.25thandClement.com> - 2013-01-22 13:19 -0800
        Re: Initializing a malloc'ed struct whose fields are const with   run-time values William Ahern <william@wilbur.25thandClement.com> - 2013-01-22 13:35 -0800
          Re: Initializing a malloc'ed struct whose fields are const with   run-time values Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2013-01-23 10:45 +1300
            Re: Initializing a malloc'ed struct whose fields are const with   run-time values Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com> - 2013-01-22 17:07 -0500
            Re: Initializing a malloc'ed struct whose fields are const with  run-time values Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2013-01-22 21:29 -0800
              Re: Initializing a malloc'ed struct whose fields are const with  run-time values Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2013-01-23 13:54 +0000
                Re: Initializing a malloc'ed struct whose fields are const with  run-time values Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com> - 2013-01-23 17:08 -0500
                Re: Initializing a malloc'ed struct whose fields are const with    run-time values Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2013-01-24 11:29 +1300
                Re: Initializing a malloc'ed struct whose fields are const with    run-time values Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com> - 2013-01-23 18:26 -0500
                Re: Initializing a malloc'ed struct whose fields are const with      run-time values Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2013-01-24 14:03 +1300
                Re: Initializing a malloc'ed struct whose fields are const with      run-time values Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com> - 2013-01-23 23:58 -0500
                Re: Initializing a malloc'ed struct whose fields are const with  run-time values Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2013-01-23 23:36 +0000
                Re: Initializing a malloc'ed struct whose fields are const with  run-time values Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2013-01-24 13:55 +1300
                Re: Initializing a malloc'ed struct whose fields are const with  run-time values Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2013-01-24 02:44 +0000
                Re: Initializing a malloc'ed struct whose fields are const with  run-time values Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2013-01-23 21:39 -0800
                Re: Initializing a malloc'ed struct whose fields are const with  run-time values Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com> - 2013-01-24 00:54 -0500
                Re: Initializing a malloc'ed struct whose fields are const with  run-time values Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2013-01-24 17:56 +0000
                Re: Initializing a malloc'ed struct whose fields are const with  run-time values Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2013-01-24 13:58 -0800
        Re: Initializing a malloc'ed struct whose fields are const with   run-time values James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2013-01-22 16:37 -0500
          Re: Initializing a malloc'ed struct whose fields are const with  run-time values Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2013-01-22 21:22 -0800
      Re: Initializing a malloc'ed struct whose fields are const with  run-time values Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2013-01-22 21:06 -0800
        Re: Initializing a malloc'ed struct whose fields are const with  run-time values Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2013-01-23 19:55 +1300
          Re: Initializing a malloc'ed struct whose fields are const with  run-time values Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2013-01-23 00:48 -0800
            Re: Initializing a malloc'ed struct whose fields are const with  run-time values Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2013-01-23 23:06 +1300
    Re: Initializing a malloc'ed struct whose fields are const with run-time values Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2013-01-22 21:02 +0000
      Re: Initializing a malloc'ed struct whose fields are const with run-time values Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com> - 2013-01-22 16:12 -0500
        Re: Initializing a malloc'ed struct whose fields are const with run-time values Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2013-01-22 22:37 +0000
          Re: Initializing a malloc'ed struct whose fields are const with run-time values Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com> - 2013-01-22 22:29 -0500
            Re: Initializing a malloc'ed struct whose fields are const with run-time values Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2013-01-23 04:28 +0000
              Re: Initializing a malloc'ed struct whose fields are const with run-time values Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com> - 2013-01-23 00:07 -0500
                Re: Initializing a malloc'ed struct whose fields are const with run-time values Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2013-01-23 14:04 +0000
    Re: Initializing a malloc'ed struct whose fields are const with run-time values Noob <root@localhost> - 2013-01-22 22:10 +0100
  Re: Initializing a malloc'ed struct whose fields are const with run-time values Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2013-01-22 21:13 +0000
    Re: Initializing a malloc'ed struct whose fields are const with run-time values Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com> - 2013-01-22 16:25 -0500
      Re: Initializing a malloc'ed struct whose fields are const with run-time values Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2013-01-22 22:21 +0000
    Re: Initializing a malloc'ed struct whose fields are const with run-time values William Ahern <william@wilbur.25thandClement.com> - 2013-01-22 13:32 -0800
      Re: Initializing a malloc'ed struct whose fields are const with run-time values Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2013-01-23 03:50 +0000
    Re: Initializing a malloc'ed struct whose fields are const with run-time values Nick Bowler <nbowler@draconx.ca> - 2013-01-22 21:43 +0000
      Re: Initializing a malloc'ed struct whose fields are const with run-time values Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2013-01-23 03:45 +0000
        Re: Initializing a malloc'ed struct whose fields are const with run-time values Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2013-01-24 08:23 -0800
  Re: Initializing a malloc'ed struct whose fields are const with run-time values Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2013-01-22 20:48 -0800

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