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Re: inline functions

From Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c
Subject Re: inline functions
Date 2012-11-29 20:14 -0600
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Sergio Durigan Junior wrote:
> On Thursday, November 29 2012, Les Cargill wrote:
>
>> it's a matter of having a competent debugger to work with. And a
>> debugger isn't likely to help much with "emergent" defects - stuff
>> that fails only in the final hardware in a real configuration.
>
> Sorry, but I fail to see your point.  I understand that debugging
> failures in a production environment sometimes is hard not just because
> of the problem itself, but because you just can't stop your business.
> Is that what you mean?


No. These are the sort of bugs you find only in a fully loaded system.
They're generally requirement-based defects, not coding errors. I found
that I didn't know well enough how to test to requirements, so that
was the next educational step.

>  If it is, I agree, but then I believe you can
> try other solutions (like inserting probes in your code, mentioned in
> another reply to this sub-thread).

yes - that's what I'd generally do ( lots of logging ).

> However, eventually you will have to
> debug your application in a test environment to (at least try to)
> replicate the problem you saw on production.  In this case, a debugger
> helps a lot.
>

Right - although I found test harnesses to have more lasting
value, because you can add to them to make a living
regression suite.

--
Les Cargill

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inline functions "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-11-24 12:20 +0000
  Re: inline functions SG <sgesemann@gmail.invalid> - 2012-11-24 14:52 +0100
    Re: inline functions "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-11-24 14:48 +0000
      Re: inline functions Joost Kraaijeveld <J.Kraaijeveld@Askesis.nl> - 2012-11-24 15:59 +0100
      Re: inline functions Alain Ketterlin <alain@dpt-info.u-strasbg.fr> - 2012-11-24 16:25 +0100
      Re: inline functions Johann Klammer <klammerj@NOSPAM.a1.net> - 2012-11-24 19:18 +0100
  Re: inline functions Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2012-11-24 15:07 +0000
    Re: inline functions "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-11-24 15:33 +0000
      Re: inline functions Alain Ketterlin <alain@dpt-info.u-strasbg.fr> - 2012-11-24 17:17 +0100
        Re: inline functions "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-11-24 16:39 +0000
          Re: inline functions Alain Ketterlin <alain@dpt-info.u-strasbg.fr> - 2012-11-24 18:13 +0100
            Re: inline functions Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-11-24 19:36 +0100
              Re: inline functions Sergio Durigan Junior <sergiodj@riseup.net> - 2012-12-05 03:19 -0200
                Re: inline functions Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-12-05 10:57 +0100
                Re: inline functions Sergio Durigan Junior <sergiodj@riseup.net> - 2012-12-05 15:34 -0200
        Re: inline functions Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2012-11-25 09:43 +0000
          Re: inline functions Alain Ketterlin <alain@dpt-info.u-strasbg.fr> - 2012-11-25 11:32 +0100
            Re: inline functions Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2012-11-27 21:55 +0000
        Re: inline functions "christian.bau" <christian.bau@cbau.wanadoo.co.uk> - 2012-11-26 04:16 -0800
          Re: inline functions David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2012-11-26 14:13 +0100
            Re: inline functions Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2012-11-28 21:27 +0000
              Re: inline functions James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-11-28 16:40 -0500
                Re: inline functions Ben Pfaff <blp@cs.stanford.edu> - 2012-11-28 14:15 -0800
                Re: inline functions Sergio Durigan Junior <sergiodj@riseup.net> - 2012-11-29 00:02 -0200
                Re: inline functions Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-11-29 07:24 -0800
                Re: inline functions James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-11-29 11:04 -0500
                Re: inline functions Sergio Durigan Junior <sergiodj@riseup.net> - 2012-11-29 14:44 -0200
                Re: inline functions Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2012-11-29 12:44 -0600
                Re: inline functions Sergio Durigan Junior <sergiodj@riseup.net> - 2012-11-29 20:43 -0200
                Re: inline functions Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2012-11-29 20:14 -0600
                Re: inline functions Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-11-30 07:44 +1300
                Re: inline functions Sergio Durigan Junior <sergiodj@riseup.net> - 2012-11-29 20:38 -0200
                Re: inline functions Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2012-12-05 03:17 +0000
                Re: inline functions Noob <root@127.0.0.1> - 2012-12-05 11:26 +0100
      Re: inline functions David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2012-11-26 11:23 +0100
        Re: inline functions "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-11-26 13:01 +0000
          Re: inline functions David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2012-11-26 14:24 +0100
            Re: inline functions Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-11-26 05:35 -0800
              Re: inline functions Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2012-11-26 07:57 -0600
                Re: inline functions Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-11-26 07:07 -0800
              Re: inline functions Rosario1903 <Rosario@invalid.invalid> - 2012-11-27 09:46 +0100
              Re: inline functions David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2012-11-27 10:50 +0100
            Re: inline functions "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-11-26 14:14 +0000
              Re: inline functions "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-11-26 15:14 +0000
              Re: inline functions Rosario1903 <Rosario@invalid.invalid> - 2012-11-27 09:46 +0100
                Re: inline functions "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-11-27 14:41 +0000
              Re: inline functions David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2012-11-27 11:01 +0100
                Re: inline functions "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-11-27 14:37 +0000
                Re: inline functions Alain Ketterlin <alain@dpt-info.u-strasbg.fr> - 2012-11-27 18:22 +0100
                Re: inline functions James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-11-27 12:55 -0500
                Re: inline functions Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2012-11-27 22:06 +0000
                Re: inline functions David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2012-11-29 09:47 +0100
          Re: inline functions glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2012-11-26 14:39 +0000
  Re: inline functions Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-11-24 07:20 -0800
    Re: inline functions James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-11-24 10:44 -0500
  Re: inline functions James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-11-24 10:35 -0500
  Re: inline functions Philip Lantz <prl@canterey.us> - 2012-11-24 22:56 -0800
  Re: inline functions James Dow Allen <jdallen2000@yahoo.com> - 2012-11-25 01:18 -0800

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