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Re: Origin of the story that K&R style was chosen to save paper

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Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> wrote:

(snip, someone wrote)
>>> You'd be surprised with what this desire to save paper forces some editors 
>>> to do.  For example, I was told that the style adopted for a table included 
>>> in the EN 1993-1 standard, which sacrificed pretty much any readability, was 
>>> due to economy reasons: someone wanted to reduce publishing costs by 
>>> avoiding having to print one or two extra pages on a 100-page document.

(snip, then I wrote)
>>I don't know specific numbers, but printing likes certain page counts
>>better than others. It might be that the choice was 100 or 120 pages.

>>If you look at a book from the end, you will see that pages come in
>>little groups, making it hard to add just one or two pages.

>>And you know we all want to keep the cost of standards documents down.
 
> OT digression into book printing:
 
> When printing book-style documents, the sheet physically printed (a
> "press sheet") most commonly has 32 pages printed on it (16 on each
> side), arranged in such a way that three foldings produce a section (a
> "signature") of book (16 sheets, 32 consecutive pages), in the correct
> order and orientation and ready to bind.  So the usual increment is 32
> pages.

Yes. I was trying to remember what they were called.
 
> Reasonably common are 8, 16 and 24 page press sheets, and 64 page
> sheets happen on occasion.  Sometimes a printer will put one smaller
> sheet at the end of a book (usually only with books mainly printed on
> 32 and 64 page press sheets), but that usually only happens on rather
> large press runs due to the extra setup work.
 
> And as you might expect, the cost is typically based on the number of
> press sheets.
 
> But the choice would unlikely be 100 vs. 120 pages, although 96 vs.
> 112 or 128 is certainly plausible. 

Yes, I said that I didn't know the exact numbers, and used those as
examples. I suppose in this group I could have used powers of two,
to make everyone happy.
 
> And yes, I've definitely seen people work to get under one of those
> boundaries.

-- glen

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Origin of the story that K&R style was chosen to save paper Paul Sinnett <paul.sinnett@gmail.com> - 2012-11-27 14:13 -0800
  Re: Origin of the story that K&R style was chosen to save paper Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-11-27 17:42 -0800
    Re: Origin of the story that K&R style was chosen to save paper Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-11-28 14:51 +1300
    Re: Origin of the story that K&R style was chosen to save paper pete <pfiland@mindspring.com> - 2012-11-28 00:36 -0500
  Re: Origin of the story that K&R style was chosen to save paper Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-11-28 02:02 +0000
    Re: Origin of the story that K&R style was chosen to save paper Cal Dershowitz <cal@example.invalid> - 2012-11-27 20:30 -0700
      Re: Origin of the story that K&R style was chosen to save paper Cal Dershowitz <cal@example.invalid> - 2012-11-27 22:06 -0700
        Re: Origin of the story that K&R style was chosen to save paper Rosario1903 <Rosario@invalid.invalid> - 2012-11-28 08:58 +0100
          Re: Origin of the story that K&R style was chosen to save paper Cal Dershowitz <cal@example.invalid> - 2012-11-28 19:19 -0700
      Re: Origin of the story that K&R style was chosen to save paper Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-11-28 11:10 +0000
        Re: Origin of the story that K&R style was chosen to save paper glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2012-11-28 18:19 +0000
          Re: Origin of the story that K&R style was chosen to save paper Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2012-11-28 13:14 -0600
            Re: Origin of the story that K&R style was chosen to save paper Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2012-11-28 13:26 -0600
              Re: Origin of the story that K&R style was chosen to save paper Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2012-11-28 13:30 -0600
                Re: Origin of the story that K&R style was chosen to save paper "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-11-28 19:38 +0000
                Re: Origin of the story that K&R style was chosen to save paper Anders Wegge Keller <wegge@wegge.dk> - 2012-11-28 21:03 +0100
                Re: Origin of the story that K&R style was chosen to save paper Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2012-11-28 14:27 -0600
            Re: Origin of the story that K&R style was chosen to save paper glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2012-11-28 21:50 +0000
  Re: Origin of the story that K&R style was chosen to save paper Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-11-28 10:56 +0000
    Re: Origin of the story that K&R style was chosen to save paper Paul Sinnett <paul.sinnett@gmail.com> - 2012-11-28 03:55 -0800
      Re: Origin of the story that K&R style was chosen to save paper Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2012-11-28 21:37 +0000
    Re: Origin of the story that K&R style was chosen to save paper Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-11-28 14:19 +0000
    Re: Origin of the story that K&R style was chosen to save paper Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-12-17 03:45 -0800
      Re: Origin of the story that K&R style was chosen to save paper Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-12-17 12:05 -0800
        Re: Origin of the story that K&R style was chosen to save paper Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-12-20 10:06 -0800
          Re: Origin of the story that K&R style was chosen to save paper Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-12-20 14:26 -0800
            Re: Origin of the story that K&R style was chosen to save paper Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-12-21 09:29 -0800
  Re: Origin of the story that K&R style was chosen to save paper Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-12-17 03:39 -0800
    Re: Origin of the story that K&R style was chosen to save paper Paul Sinnett <paul.sinnett@gmail.com> - 2012-12-25 21:18 -0800

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