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Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire

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On 9/03/2023 12:17 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 9/03/2023 9:43 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 9/03/2023 9:37 am, Noddy wrote:
> 
>>> China likes to talk tough, but when it comes to putting their words 
>>> into action they're not that flash. They're also well aware that any 
>>> action they take against us would invariably see them facing action 
>>> against our allies which is not something they would look forward to.
>>
>> **That reliance would be a fatal mistake on our part. 
> 
> I don't think so. That's why we have military alliances in the first 
> place :)
> 
>> Should that fucking idiot, Trump, be elected as the next POTUS, we 
>> will be left on our own. DeSantis is an unknown factor, but you can 
>> bet he would be happy to sacrifice Australia for votes. Australia MUST 
>> be able to be self-sufficient in both defence and essential commodities.
> 
> Australia will *never* be self sufficient at anything, as we don't have 
> the population or the wealth to be so. We are a small nation on a very 
> large island.

**Bullshit. As others have stated, we need to make ourselves to be like 
a porcupine, in a defensive sense. That would likely mean hosting nukes 
on our soil on in subs. Long range missiles, sea mines, drones and drone 
subs should all be considered to ensure that China refrains from 
attacking or interfering with our trade. We CANNOT rely on the US or 
anyone else. To remind you of WWII, the US was quite prepared to 
sacrifice Australia to the Japanese, should it have been required. The 
US will do so again.

> 
> As far as the Americans are concerned, I believe Trump's day in the sun 
> has passed. He's too much of a liability now for the Republican Party to 
> stand him as a candidate for a second term, and I think "Sleepy Joe's" 
> days are also numbered. DeSantis will most likely be the next US 
> President, and while he *is* a relative unknown he doesn't appear to be 
> anywhere near as hardcore right as Trump is, or have the same 
> isolationist views.

**DeSantis has been described as 'Trump with a brain'. Which makes him 
potentially far more dangerous. DeSantis has no care for Australia. We 
need to do far more to enhance our defences and our critical 
infrastructure. It has recently been stated that Xi intends to take 
Taiwan in 2027. We have FOUR years to get our shit together.

> 
> The other point to consider is that regardless of whomever is in office 
> in the White house, Australia has far too much value to the Americans 
> both in terms of investment and strategic importance for them to sit 
> idly by and see it over run by a hostile country.

**Nonsense. Americans don't know where Australia is and, apart from our 
baristas, they don't care about Australians. Which, of course, means 
that their politicians don't care either.

Consider Ukraine: Despite the commitment and bravery of the Ukrainian 
people, the US has not committed a single military person to fight in 
Ukraine. The US is (rightly) concerned of what retaliation Russia might 
unleash on the US if they did. In a few years, China will be a MUCH 
bigger worry.

> 
> America is making waves about China's desires to control Taiwan just so 
> they're not held to ransom by the Chinese having control over the 
> world's chip market. In light of that, I can't really see them doing 
> nothing and letting the Chinese take over one of the world's largest 
> sources of coal, aluminium, uranium, gold or just about anything else :)

**There is NOTHING in Australia that the US can't find anywhere else. 
Except decent coffee. They ain't gonna defend their coffee habit.

> 
> 
>>>
>>> We live in difficult times and it would be a fatal flaw to 
>>> under-estimate the Chinese, but your pessimistic view is equally 
>>> wrong in my opinion.
>>
>> **We'll see. The next US election will be critical to China's plans. 
>> Trump will not defend Taiwan and has zero interest in Australia.
> 
> Trump won't be the next US President, so it's a non issue.

**Trump PROBABLY won't be the next POTUS. However, never understimate 
the stupidity of the American public. They voted for Reagan, Dubya and 
Trump. That speaks volumes for just how dumb Americans are.


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a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2023-03-08 03:02 +0100
  Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2023-03-08 13:40 +1100
    Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Noddy <me@home.com> - 2023-03-08 15:22 +1100
      Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> - 2023-03-08 16:00 +1100
      Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2023-03-08 17:47 +1100
      Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2023-03-09 07:50 +1100
        Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Noddy <me@home.com> - 2023-03-09 08:11 +1100
          Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2023-03-09 08:14 +1100
            Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Keithr0 <nothing.to.see@here.com.au> - 2023-03-09 07:21 +1000
              Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2023-03-09 08:41 +1100
                Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Noddy <me@home.com> - 2023-03-09 09:37 +1100
                Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2023-03-09 09:43 +1100
                Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Noddy <me@home.com> - 2023-03-09 12:17 +1100
                Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2023-03-09 14:20 +1100
                Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Noddy <me@home.com> - 2023-03-09 15:48 +1100
                Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2023-03-09 23:30 +1100
                Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire "jonz@ nothere.com" <johnhhhinton7@gmail.com> - 2023-03-08 20:18 -0800
                Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> - 2023-03-09 10:56 +1100
                Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2023-03-09 11:18 +1100
                Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Noddy <me@home.com> - 2023-03-09 12:40 +1100
                Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> - 2023-03-09 13:30 +1100
                Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Noddy <me@home.com> - 2023-03-09 15:02 +1100
                Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> - 2023-03-09 17:01 +1100
                Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire "jonz@ nothere.com" <johnhhhinton7@gmail.com> - 2023-03-08 20:06 -0800
              Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Noddy <me@home.com> - 2023-03-09 09:34 +1100
            Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Noddy <me@home.com> - 2023-03-09 09:33 +1100
              Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2023-03-09 09:47 +1100
                Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Noddy <me@home.com> - 2023-03-09 12:01 +1100
                Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2023-03-09 14:07 +1100
                Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Noddy <me@home.com> - 2023-03-09 15:59 +1100
                Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Keithr0 <nothing.to.see@here.com.au> - 2023-03-09 16:27 +1000
                Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Noddy <me@home.com> - 2023-03-09 20:19 +1100
                Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> - 2023-03-09 22:59 +1100
                Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Noddy <me@home.com> - 2023-03-10 12:42 +1100
                Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> - 2023-03-10 13:53 +1100
                Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Noddy <me@home.com> - 2023-03-10 14:32 +1100
        Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> - 2023-03-09 10:48 +1100
      Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire alvey <Patty.O.Furniture@Coast.org> - 2023-03-08 23:58 +0000
        Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2023-03-09 12:46 +1100
    Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> - 2023-03-08 16:08 +1100
      Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire "jonz@ nothere.com" <johnhhhinton7@gmail.com> - 2023-03-07 22:11 -0800
        Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> - 2023-03-08 20:12 +1100
      Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2023-03-08 19:40 +1000
      Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2023-03-09 09:02 +1100
        Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> - 2023-03-09 11:08 +1100
          Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2023-03-09 11:23 +1100
            Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> - 2023-03-09 12:15 +1100
              Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2023-03-09 13:58 +1100
        Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Noddy <me@home.com> - 2023-03-09 12:18 +1100

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