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Re: Beware the microsoft cloud?

From Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid>
Newsgroups alt.folklore.computers
Subject Re: Beware the microsoft cloud?
Date 2016-05-25 16:22 +0200
Organization Me, Myself and I
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In article <PM000533AA165E8708@aca40c43.ipt.aol.com>,
jmfbahciv  <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>Morten Reistad wrote:
>> In article <PM00053395219D15EE@aca423de.ipt.aol.com>,
>> jmfbahciv  <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>>>Bud Frede wrote:
>>>> andrew@cucumber.demon.co.uk (Andrew Gabriel) writes:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <nh4v4v$id$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>     "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> writes:
>>>>>> Has microsoft a reputation for doing something for nothing?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How soon after they've everyone locked in to the cloud will
>>>>>> they start charging heftily for it?
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone using cloud needs to keep an eye on the current and future
>>>>> exit costs from their supplier. An area where this is often
>>>>> overlooked is those using cloud based object stores, and when
>>>>> they decide there's a better provider or solution, they only
>>>>> then realise they can't actually afford to retrieve all their data
>>>>> from their current provider in order to move it somewhere else
>>>>> - a great lock-in strategy.
>>>>> (Not saying this applies to MS necessarily - not looked at their
>>>>> charges.)
>>>>
>>>> It does. They have a number of cloud services that seem to be of the
>>>> roach motel type - easy to enter, but difficult to leave. I've warned
>>>> developers about this, but many of them don't even think we need to do
>>>> backups (and test the restores) anymore because "the cloud does all that
>>>> for us."
>>>>
>>>> I think the cloud can be good in some cases, like when you're a fairly
>>>> small company but you need geographic diversity for your
>>>> servers/datacenter. It's not ideal for everything (not a surprise to
>>>> anyone here), so you have to use some sense before (or instead of) just
>>>> moving everything to the cloud.
>>>
>>>How do you check that the cloud provider is geographically diverse?
>>
>> You build the actual cloud yourself, using the same open source tools
>> that the run-of-the-mill operations do, and use the cheap containers
>> (linux machines, usually) offered by every hosting operation across the
>> planet.
>
>So you do know where those hosting operations are?

In around every second public hosting centre on the planet. I know of
at least 50 large ones in the US, even more in the EU; and they are spread
all over the place. I have rented some in DK, UK, CA and NZ. They have
DNS for some 20 clients of mine, plus around 15 vanity domains; plus 
email and web backups. The NZ one also has my photo album, as a third
backup from home.

>> Even my little "me, myself and I" company has storage on three
>> continents. I pay less than $300/month for the privilige.
>>
>>>> Ideally, things would be vendor-neutral so that you can easily move from
>>>> cloud provider to cloud provider, or even from your local virtual
>>>> environment to cloud and back again without too much pain. They're not
>>>> like that yet though, and most of the cloud providers are busy trying to
>>>> "add value" by offering services that only they provide and thus lock
>>>> you in.
>>>
>>>I've just thought of a dozen scenarios which can screw a customer.
>>>Not a pretty site.
>>
>> When you start with a good open source platform you can add that
>> value yourself.
>
>that's software.  There is still hardware and its physical location
>which requires humans to babysit.

Here we benefit enourmously from the standardisation and commoditisation
of standard linux/bsd servers. 

These are so well defined and standardised that "a linux" (or rather;
"a debian") is pretty straightforward to provide. And they are cheap.

They are also pretty scaleable. You could probably put CNN.com on
a cluster of these.

-- mrr

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Beware the microsoft cloud? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-05-13 17:28 +0100
  Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? mentificium@gmail.com - 2016-05-14 09:22 -0700
  Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? andrew@cucumber.demon.co.uk (Andrew Gabriel) - 2016-05-21 12:31 +0000
    Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-05-21 13:16 +0000
      Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-22 13:15 +0000
        Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-05-22 09:58 -0400
          Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-23 11:49 +0000
            Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-23 11:56 +0000
            Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-05-23 15:02 +0000
              Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? David Wade <dave.g4ugm@gmail.com> - 2016-05-23 20:57 +0100
                Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-24 12:11 +0000
            Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-05-23 16:19 +0100
            Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-05-24 04:02 +1000
              Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-24 12:11 +0000
                Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-05-24 10:59 -0500
            Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-05-23 14:30 -0400
              Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-05-23 14:04 -0500
                Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-05-23 23:23 -0400
                Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Alfred Falk <falk@arc.ab.ca> - 2016-05-24 04:40 +0000
                Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-24 12:11 +0000
                Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-05-24 12:48 -0400
                Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-25 07:47 -0400
                Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Alfred Falk <falk@arc.ab.ca> - 2016-05-24 17:43 +0000
                Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-05-24 14:13 -0400
                Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-05-24 12:38 -0400
                Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Alfred Falk <falk@arc.ab.ca> - 2016-05-24 17:55 +0000
                Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-24 20:25 +0200
                Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-05-24 15:02 -0400
                Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Alfred Falk <falk@arc.ab.ca> - 2016-05-24 20:51 +0000
                Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-24 19:24 +0000
              Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-05-23 14:38 -0500
                Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-05-23 23:28 -0400
                Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-05-24 09:03 -0500
                Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-24 18:28 +0200
                Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-05-24 12:52 -0400
                Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-05-24 12:33 -0500
                Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-05-24 17:17 -0400
                Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-05-24 17:23 -0500
                Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-25 07:47 -0400
                Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-24 11:55 -0400
                Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-05-24 17:16 -0400
                Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-05-24 21:31 +0000
                Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-25 07:37 +0200
                Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-05-26 07:24 -0400
                Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-05-26 13:57 +0100
                Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-25 07:36 +0200
                Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2016-05-25 06:53 +0100
              Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-05-23 19:56 -0500
              Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-24 12:11 +0000
                Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-05-24 12:42 -0400
                Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-05-24 12:28 -0500
                Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-05-24 21:57 -0400
              Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-24 11:55 -0400
        Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-05-22 16:42 +0000
          Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-23 11:49 +0000
            Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-05-23 15:01 +0000
              Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-24 12:11 +0000
                Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-05-24 13:33 +0100
                Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-05-24 18:00 +0000
                Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-05-24 14:16 +0100
                Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-24 18:04 +0200
                Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-25 13:11 +0000
                Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-25 16:28 +0200
                Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-25 16:15 -0400
                Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? David Wade <dave.g4ugm@gmail.com> - 2016-05-26 10:31 +0100
              Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-05-24 17:12 -0400
                Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-05-24 21:27 +0000
            Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-05-23 16:04 +0100
              Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-05-23 17:15 +0000
                Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-05-24 18:00 +0000
            Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-05-23 16:25 -0300
        Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-05-23 11:04 +1000
        Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-05-23 06:40 +0100
        Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-23 16:16 +0200
        Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-05-23 19:58 -0500
        Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? pechter@t61.(none) (William Pechter) - 2016-05-29 20:35 +0000
    Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2016-05-23 12:53 -0400
      Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-24 12:11 +0000
        Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-24 18:08 +0200
          Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-25 13:11 +0000
            Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-25 16:22 +0200
              Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-25 17:51 +0000
        Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2016-06-01 13:16 -0400
          Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? mausg@mail.com - 2016-06-01 20:59 +0000
          Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-02 12:09 +0000
            Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-06-02 16:39 +0000
              Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-06-02 20:44 +0000
              Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-03 13:16 +0000
            Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? David Wade <dave.g4ugm@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 15:04 +0100
              Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-04 13:44 +0000
                Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? David Wade <dave.g4ugm@gmail.com> - 2016-06-04 23:22 +0100
                Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-06-04 19:02 -0700
                Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-05 05:14 -0400
                Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-06-05 17:38 +0000
                Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-05 14:39 -0400
                Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-06-05 10:08 -0500
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                Re: Beware the microsoft cloud? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-05 14:31 +0000

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