Re: Strange C developments

From	Quentin Pope <qp19433@hotmail.NOSPAM.com>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.c
Subject	Re: Strange C developments
Date	2012-07-21 10:23 +0000
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On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 11:43:36 +0200, jacob navia wrote:
> Le 20/07/12 23:14, Jase Schick a écrit :
>> Hi Can anyone explain why C has added support for pthreads, while NOT
>> adding support for garbage collection? Convenient memory management
>> would be a much greater enhancement than replicating a perfectly good
>> existing library it seems to me.
>>
>> Jase
>>
> The lcc-win compiler offers a garbage collector (Boehm's) in its
> standard distribution. It is a very useful feature, used for instance in
> the debugger of lcc-win, in the IDE and several other applications. Of
> course it is used by many of the people that have downloaded lcc-win
> (more than 1 million)

Do you never get tired of spamming this group with advertising for your 
compiler?

Adding garbage collection would break a large amount of existing code.

Often the bottom couple of bits of pointers to memory with known 
alignment properties will be used to store information (the pointer than 
being and'd with ~0x3ul or similar prior to dereferencing).

Many code protection methods rely on storing pointers xor'd with an 
obfuscating mask. GCs are not sophisticated enough to track such pointers.

And what is the gain? With careful programming, there is no need 
whatsoever for this stupid overhead. Leave it for the kiddies programming 
JAVA.

//QP

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Strange C developments Jase Schick <nospam@nospam.com> - 2012-07-20 21:14 +0000
  Re: Strange C developments Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2012-07-20 18:03 -0500
  Re: Strange C developments "christian.bau" <christian.bau@cbau.wanadoo.co.uk> - 2012-07-20 16:03 -0700
    Re: Strange C developments Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-07-21 15:11 -0700
    Re: Strange C developments tom st denis <tom@iahu.ca> - 2012-08-02 06:08 -0700
      Re: Strange C developments Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-08-02 21:23 +0200
        Re: Strange C developments tom st denis <tom@iahu.ca> - 2012-08-03 04:13 -0700
          Re: Strange C developments Noob <root@127.0.0.1> - 2012-08-03 13:19 +0200
          Re: Strange C developments Anders Wegge Keller <wegge@wegge.dk> - 2012-08-03 13:31 +0200
          Re: Strange C developments Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-08-03 23:47 +0200
      Re: Strange C developments gwowen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2012-08-03 02:20 -0700
  Re: Strange C developments Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-07-21 01:25 +0100
  Re: Strange C developments BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-07-20 19:38 -0500
  Re: Strange C developments Nobody <nobody@nowhere.com> - 2012-07-21 10:32 +0100
    Re: Strange C developments BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-07-21 09:31 -0500
      Re: Strange C developments Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-07-21 17:38 +0100
        Re: Strange C developments BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-07-21 12:58 -0500
        Re: Strange C developments Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-07-21 11:42 -0700
          Re: Strange C developments Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-07-21 20:13 +0100
            Re: Strange C developments Nobody <nobody@nowhere.com> - 2012-07-21 20:48 +0100
              Re: Strange C developments Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-07-21 23:32 +0100
  Re: Strange C developments jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-07-21 11:43 +0200
    Re: Strange C developments Quentin Pope <qp19433@hotmail.NOSPAM.com> - 2012-07-21 10:23 +0000
      Re: Strange C developments jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-07-21 13:01 +0200
        Re: Strange C developments gordonb.y4pdz@burditt.org (Gordon Burditt) - 2012-07-21 08:57 -0500
          Re: Strange C developments BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-07-21 10:40 -0500
          Re: Strange C developments jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-07-21 19:03 +0200
            Re: Strange C developments gordonb.5rhpu@burditt.org (Gordon Burditt) - 2012-07-22 02:08 -0500
              Re: Strange C developments jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-07-22 12:32 +0200
                Re: Strange C developments BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-07-22 08:26 -0500
            Re: Strange C developments Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-07-24 01:23 -0700
              Re: Strange C developments Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-07-24 05:36 -0700
                Re: Strange C developments Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-07-30 02:04 -0700
              Re: Strange C developments BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-07-24 09:55 -0500
                Re: Strange C developments 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2012-08-02 06:44 -0700
                Re: Strange C developments BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-03 08:48 -0500
          Re: Strange C developments jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-07-21 19:06 +0200
            Re: Strange C developments gordonb.ibds9@burditt.org (Gordon Burditt) - 2012-07-22 02:28 -0500
              Re: Strange C developments jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-07-22 12:30 +0200
              Re: Strange C developments Philip Lantz <prl@canterey.us> - 2012-07-24 00:58 -0700
        Re: Strange C developments Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-07-24 01:13 -0700
      Re: Strange C developments Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-07-21 05:44 -0700
        Re: Strange C developments Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-07-21 15:31 -0700
          Re: Strange C developments Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-07-21 16:59 -0700
            Re: Strange C developments Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-07-21 23:46 -0700
              Re: Strange C developments "io_x" <a@b.c.invalid> - 2012-07-22 10:37 +0200
                Re: Strange C developments Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-07-22 03:28 -0700
                Re: Strange C developments BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-07-22 09:05 -0500
                Re: Strange C developments Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-07-24 02:10 -0700
                Re: Strange C developments "io_x" <a@b.c.invalid> - 2012-07-27 20:47 +0200
                Re: Strange C developments Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-07-30 02:09 -0700
                Re: Strange C developments "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-07-30 13:05 +0100
                Re: Strange C developments BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-03 10:45 -0500
                Re: Strange C developments "io_x" <a@b.c.invalid> - 2012-07-30 16:52 +0200
                Re: Strange C developments "io_x" <a@b.c.invalid> - 2012-07-30 18:26 +0200
                Re: Strange C developments Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-08-03 12:12 -0700
                Re: Strange C developments "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-08-04 12:18 +0100
                Re: Strange C developments Phil Carmody <thefatphil_demunged@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-08-10 09:50 +0300
                Re: Strange C developments Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-09-07 11:19 -0700
                Re: Strange C developments "io_x" <a@b.c.invalid> - 2012-09-09 12:06 +0200
                Re: Strange C developments Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2012-09-09 05:25 +0000
          Re: Strange C developments Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2012-07-22 02:48 +0200
          Re: Strange C developments William Ahern <william@wilbur.25thandClement.com> - 2012-07-21 21:45 -0700
            Re: Strange C developments Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-07-22 02:40 -0700
              Re: Strange C developments BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-07-22 10:38 -0500
          Re: Strange C developments William Ahern <william@wilbur.25thandClement.com> - 2012-07-21 22:38 -0700
            Re: Strange C developments jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-07-22 08:43 +0200
            Re: Strange C developments "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-07-22 11:24 +0100
              Re: Strange C developments BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-03 09:09 -0500
                Re: Strange C developments BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-03 16:54 -0500
          Re: Strange C developments Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-07-21 23:16 -0700
            Re: Strange C developments Phil Carmody <thefatphil_demunged@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-07-22 17:50 +0300
              Re: Strange C developments BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-07-22 11:27 -0500
                Re: Strange C developments Ike Naar <ike@iceland.freeshell.org> - 2012-07-22 20:55 +0000
                Re: Strange C developments Philip Lantz <prl@canterey.us> - 2012-07-24 00:56 -0700
                Re: Strange C developments Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-07-24 01:57 -0700
              Re: Strange C developments Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-09-07 11:20 -0700
      Re: Strange C developments Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-07-21 15:13 -0700
  Re: Strange C developments John Bode <jfbode1029@gmail.com> - 2012-07-23 14:59 -0700

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