Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64

From	Andrew Owen <aowen10@mail.bbk.ac.uk>
Newsgroups	comp.sys.sinclair, comp.sys.cbm
Subject	Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64
Date	2012-05-22 12:47 +0100
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On 22/05/2012 11:48, Clocky wrote:
> Whatever, it's not like the attribute clash fault and using faulty 64k chips
> in the ZX were such elegant production solutions either.

The C64 also has a cell attribute mode, so if you're calling that a 
fault, it's one shared by the C64. Using the working part of faulty 
chips is still a common solution to avoid waste and reduce cost today 
(many dual-core chips are actually faulty quad-core chips).

> Not having a joystick port is unforgiveable.

Is the C64 a 'proper computer' or a games machine? You can't have it 
both ways.

The C64 was the cheap option in the US (where the Apple II was the 
'proper computer') and the Spectrum was the cheap option in the UK 
(which unlike the US was still in recession).

Both machines had their technical merits, but both are 30 years old, and 
arguing over which was better, like arguing over whether Budweiser or 
Miller is the best beer, is a futile and pointless excercise. There have 
been better computers, and beers, around for a long time.

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ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 "Chris Young" <chris.usenet@mail-filter.com> - 2012-04-22 17:08 +0100
  Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 Dombo <dombo@disposable.invalid> - 2012-04-22 20:49 +0200
    Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 andy rea <ask_me@ask.me> - 2012-04-22 21:43 +0100
      Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 "Wasted" <removematd@deletematd.adsl24.co.uk> - 2012-04-22 23:12 +0100
        Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 "dott.Piergiorgio" <chiedetelo@ask.me> - 2012-04-23 00:37 +0200
          Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 spike1@freenet.co.uk - 2012-04-23 11:27 +0100
            Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 "Clocky" <notgonn@happen.com> - 2012-04-23 19:17 +0800
    Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 deKay <andyk@lofi-gaming.org.uk.invalid> - 2012-04-23 20:33 +0100
      Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 "Clocky" <notgonn@happen.com> - 2012-04-24 19:54 +0800
        Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 deKay <andyk@lofi-gaming.org.uk.invalid> - 2012-04-24 15:27 +0100
      Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 "Daniel Mandic" <daniel_mandic@hotmail.com> - 2012-05-13 15:39 +0000
        Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 "Clocky" <notgonn@happen.com> - 2012-05-17 20:04 +0800
    Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 Jan van den Broek <fortytwo@xs4all.nl> - 2012-04-23 22:03 +0100
      Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 hp <ferd@farkel.net> - 2012-04-24 20:07 -0400
        Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 "dott.Piergiorgio" <chiedetelo@ask.me> - 2012-04-25 18:03 +0200
  Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 lizardb0y <andrew.stephen@gmail.com> - 2012-04-22 15:08 -0700
  Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 "Clocky" <notgonn@happen.com> - 2012-04-23 17:07 +0800
    Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 spike1@freenet.co.uk - 2012-04-23 11:28 +0100
      Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 "Clocky" <notgonn@happen.com> - 2012-04-23 19:16 +0800
        Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 "dott.Piergiorgio" <chiedetelo@ask.me> - 2012-04-23 21:44 +0200
          Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 "Clocky" <notgonn@happen.com> - 2012-04-24 19:55 +0800
      Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 Dombo <dombo@disposable.invalid> - 2012-04-23 21:08 +0200
      Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 "dott.Piergiorgio" <chiedetelo@ask.me> - 2012-04-23 21:39 +0200
        Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 andy rea <ask_me@ask.me> - 2012-04-23 20:45 +0100
          Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 "dott.Piergiorgio" <chiedetelo@ask.me> - 2012-04-23 21:54 +0200
        Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 "Clocky" <notgonn@happen.com> - 2012-04-24 19:58 +0800
          Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 "dott.Piergiorgio" <chiedetelo@ask.me> - 2012-04-24 17:21 +0200
            Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 "Clocky" <notgonn@happen.com> - 2012-04-25 06:41 +0800
        Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 Martijn van Buul <pino@dohd.org> - 2012-04-24 12:07 +0000
          Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 "dott.Piergiorgio" <chiedetelo@ask.me> - 2012-04-24 16:59 +0200
        Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 "Clocky" <notgonn@happen.com> - 2012-04-25 06:46 +0800
    Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 Calum <com.gmail@nospam.scottishwildcat> - 2012-04-23 12:50 +0100
      Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 "Clocky" <notgonn@happen.com> - 2012-04-24 20:00 +0800
    Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 "Daniel Mandic" <daniel_mandic@hotmail.com> - 2012-05-13 15:59 +0000
      Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 "Clocky" <notgonn@happen.com> - 2012-05-15 06:12 +0800
        Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 "Daniel Mandic" <daniel_mandic@hotmail.com> - 2012-05-15 08:44 +0000
          Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 "Clocky" <notgonn@happen.com> - 2012-05-20 08:18 +0800
            Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 Guesser <alistair@alistairsserver.no-ip.org> - 2012-05-20 01:44 +0100
              Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 "Clocky" <notgonn@happen.com> - 2012-05-22 16:50 +0800
                Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 Guesser <alistair@alistairsserver.no-ip.org> - 2012-05-22 11:12 +0100
                Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 "Clocky" <notgonn@happen.com> - 2012-05-22 18:48 +0800
                Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 Andrew Owen <aowen10@mail.bbk.ac.uk> - 2012-05-22 12:47 +0100
                Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 deKay <andyk@lofi-gaming.org.uk.invalid> - 2012-05-22 13:24 +0100
                Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 "Clocky" <notgonn@happen.com> - 2012-05-24 06:29 +0800
                Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 "Daniel Mandic" <daniel_mandic@hotmail.com> - 2012-05-25 21:48 +0000
                Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 "Clocky" <notgonn@happen.com> - 2012-05-26 18:17 +0800
                Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 "Daniel Mandic" <daniel_mandic@hotmail.com> - 2012-05-26 13:38 +0000
                Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 "Clocky" <notgonn@happen.com> - 2012-05-27 10:36 +0800
                Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 Matthew Westcott <gasman@raww.org> - 2012-05-26 20:56 +0100
                Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 "Clocky" <notgonn@happen.com> - 2012-05-27 10:41 +0800
                Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 "dott.Piergiorgio" <chiedetelo@ask.me> - 2012-05-27 12:16 +0200
                Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 "Daniel Mandic" <daniel_mandic@hotmail.com> - 2012-05-28 12:56 +0000
                Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 Andreas Kohlbach <april12.8.ankman@spamgourmet.com> - 2012-05-28 17:35 -0400
                Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 "Clocky" <notgonn@happen.com> - 2012-05-30 17:56 +0800
                Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 Andreas Kohlbach <april12.8.ankman@spamgourmet.com> - 2012-05-30 16:01 -0400
                Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 Martijn van Buul <pino@dohd.org> - 2012-05-31 07:16 +0000
                Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 "Clocky" <notgonn@happen.com> - 2012-05-31 18:21 +0800
                Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 deKay <andyk@lofi-gaming.org.uk.invalid> - 2012-05-28 15:07 +0100
                Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 "Chris Young" <chris.usenet@mail-filter.com> - 2012-05-22 18:19 +0100
                Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 Duncan Snowden <duncan_s@talktalk.net> - 2012-05-23 23:35 +0100
                Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 "Daniel Mandic" <daniel_mandic@hotmail.com> - 2012-05-25 21:57 +0000
                Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 "Daniel Mandic" <daniel_mandic@hotmail.com> - 2012-05-25 21:29 +0000
                Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 "Daniel Mandic" <daniel_mandic@hotmail.com> - 2012-05-25 21:15 +0000
                Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 "Clocky" <notgonn@happen.com> - 2012-05-27 10:48 +0800
                Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 "dott.Piergiorgio" <chiedetelo@ask.me> - 2012-05-27 12:25 +0200
                Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 Mic <mic_carusoQWERTY@libero.it> - 2012-06-17 01:37 +0200
                Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 Guesser <alistair@alistairsserver.no-ip.org> - 2012-05-27 11:55 +0100
                Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 "Clocky" <notgonn@happen.com> - 2012-05-27 21:40 +0800
                Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 Guesser <alistair@alistairsserver.no-ip.org> - 2012-05-27 14:57 +0100
            Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 "Daniel Mandic" <daniel_mandic@hotmail.com> - 2012-05-21 18:44 +0000
    Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 Andrew Owen <aowen10@mail.bbk.ac.uk> - 2012-05-21 01:03 +0100
      Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 "Chris Young" <chris.usenet@mail-filter.com> - 2012-05-21 18:13 +0100
      Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 "Clocky" <notgonn@happen.com> - 2012-05-22 16:54 +0800
        Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 Andrew Owen <aowen10@mail.bbk.ac.uk> - 2012-05-22 12:48 +0100
          Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 "Clocky" <notgonn@happen.com> - 2012-05-24 06:32 +0800
            Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 Andrew Owen <aowen10@mail.bbk.ac.uk> - 2012-05-24 07:01 +0100
              Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 "Chris Young" <chris.usenet@mail-filter.com> - 2012-05-24 18:15 +0100
                Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 "Clocky" <notgonn@happen.com> - 2012-05-26 18:23 +0800
                Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 Dombo <dombo@disposable.invalid> - 2012-05-26 18:29 +0200
              Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 "Clocky" <notgonn@happen.com> - 2012-05-26 18:21 +0800
                Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 Duncan Snowden <duncan_s@talktalk.net> - 2012-05-26 19:53 +0100
                Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 Dombo <dombo@disposable.invalid> - 2012-05-26 21:19 +0200
                Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 "Clocky" <notgonn@happen.com> - 2012-05-27 10:50 +0800
                Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 Duncan Snowden <duncan_s@talktalk.net> - 2012-05-28 16:32 +0100
                Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 "Clocky" <notgonn@happen.com> - 2012-05-29 12:11 +0800
                Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 Duncan Snowden <duncan_s@talktalk.net> - 2012-05-31 17:34 +0100
  Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 Groepaz <groepaz@gmx.net> - 2012-04-23 14:27 +0200
  Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 "Pedro" <pcm2000@teleline.es> - 2012-04-26 01:03 +0200
  Re: ZX Spectrum vs Commodore 64 rogerjowett <rogerjowett@gmail.com> - 2012-05-18 05:21 -0700

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