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Re: Do you want to develop PHP for the Web and make money

From The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Newsgroups comp.lang.php
Subject Re: Do you want to develop PHP for the Web and make money
Date 2012-04-28 16:41 +0100
Organization albasani.net
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References <2012042010322212516-info@stconinccom> <2012042801541198989-info@stconinccom> <33tnp79ug0kpq37shjqbmfpeceihj584nu@4ax.com>

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Graham Hobbs wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 01:54:11 +0200, Torsten Jorgensen
> <info@stconinc.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 2012-04-20 08:32:22 +0000, Torsten Jørgensen said:
>>
>>> Well, making money may be a hard talk. It depends on wheather the 
>>> supported software
>>> in your oppinion lives up to the standards given in industry.
>> Take a look at: www.webtecinc.com
>>
>> That is the corporation that is ging to be handeling the case. It has 
>> been running
>> for four months now and I have made about 2 Mio. Dkr.
>>
>> If you are interested, send me an email. Hi :-)
> 
> Torsten,
> 
> No disrespect but the site, as also pointed out elsewhere, is strange.
> 
> I will shortly be looking for someone to work on my self developed
> website because I am far from skilled in the PHP/website development
> arena. You wouldn't be considered.
> 
> Aside from that my very real dilemma is that all of Jerry, Tony, TNP,
> Pointed Ears, etc show indepth knowledge of PHP but none have
> convinced me 'theirs' is the best/safest way.
> 

I have no best way mate.

Its worth listening to WHY (if they actually explain) they think your 
way is 'wrong' and if they have valid points, modifying it, but the fact 
is you don't write a 1000 programmer corporate database the same way as 
you write  a device driver for a USB peripheral.

And people who have worked solely on the one will never have  anything 
relevant to say about the other.

Having worked more or less at both ends I don't involve myself in 
religious narrow minded arguments except to point out that they are 
ignorant narrow minded arguments.

If the other other guys apart from me have given you pause for thought, 
and made things clearer, so much the better.

I am not always the best person to copy anyway: I code fast and in small 
groups and the maintainer is mostly me. That may not be what you want or 
need. If you are gearing code towards maintainability by lower than 
average intelligence hackers like Jerry, you will need to spend far more 
time commenting and writing documentation: The solution that achieves 
its results in ten incomprehensible (to jerry) lines is simply no good. 
You MUST use the approach that he was taught and will recognise even if 
its hopelessly out of date, insecure and inefficient. IF he is the sort 
of asshole that is all your company can afford to employ.

And since that is the only sort of company that ever HAS employed jerry, 
you cab see that his recommendations TO that company are entirely correct.

"If you employ assholes like me you must write code FOR assholes like 
me, and this is all I know".


> Given the slagging that goes on here, how can one possibly know who's
> best?  
> Graham Hobbs

You cant unless you are intelligent enough to use critical thinking to 
assess what people say and in the context of what you are trying to do.


Otherwise your name is jerry and you simply  buy a text book that tells 
you what is 'right' and slavishly do it that way. And hope your next 
employer didn't buy a DIFFERENT text book.



-- 
To people who know nothing, anything is possible.
To people who know too much, it is a sad fact
that they know how little is really possible -
and how hard it is to achieve it.

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Do you want to develop PHP for the Web and make money Torsten Jørgensen <info@stconinc.com> - 2012-04-20 10:32 +0200
  Re: Do you want to develop PHP for the Web and make money Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-04-20 07:22 -0400
    Re: Do you want to develop PHP for the Web and make money Torsten Jørgensen <info@stconinc.com> - 2012-04-21 15:11 +0200
      Re: Do you want to develop PHP for the Web and make money Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-04-21 10:22 -0400
      Re: Do you want to develop PHP for the Web and make money Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2012-04-21 14:42 +0000
        Re: Do you want to develop PHP for the Web and make money Torsten Jørgensen <info@stconinc.com> - 2012-04-21 19:16 +0200
        Re: Do you want to develop PHP for the Web and make money Torsten Jørgensen <info@stconinc.com> - 2012-04-21 19:43 +0200
          Re: Do you want to develop PHP for the Web and make money Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2012-04-24 08:54 +0000
            Re: Do you want to develop PHP for the Web and make money Torsten Jorgensen <info@stconinc.com> - 2012-04-28 01:46 +0200
  Re: Do you want to develop PHP for the Web and make money Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-04-21 19:22 +0200
    Re: Do you want to develop PHP for the Web and make money Torsten Jørgensen <info@stconinc.com> - 2012-04-21 19:42 +0200
      Re: Do you want to develop PHP for the Web and make money Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-04-22 10:24 +0200
        Re: Do you want to develop PHP for the Web and make money Torsten Jørgensen <info@stconinc.com> - 2012-04-22 10:53 +0200
          Re: Do you want to develop PHP for the Web and make money Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-04-22 09:25 -0400
            Re: Do you want to develop PHP for the Web and make money "M. Strobel" <sorry_no_mail_here@nowhere.dee> - 2012-04-23 11:04 +0200
              Re: Do you want to develop PHP for the Web and make money Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-04-23 08:47 -0400
            Re: Do you want to develop PHP for the Web and make money Torsten Jørgensen <info@stconinc.com> - 2012-04-24 00:06 +0200
              Re: Do you want to develop PHP for the Web and make money "Peter H. Coffin" <hellsop@ninehells.com> - 2012-04-23 17:43 -0500
                Re: Do you want to develop PHP for the Web and make money Scott Johnson <noonehome@chalupasworld.com> - 2012-04-24 05:53 -0700
  Re: Do you want to develop PHP for the Web and make money Luuk <luuk@invalid.lan> - 2012-04-22 19:04 +0200
    Re: Do you want to develop PHP for the Web and make money Torsten Jørgensen <info@stconinc.com> - 2012-04-24 00:04 +0200
      Re: Do you want to develop PHP for the Web and make money Erwin Moller <erwinmollerusenet@xs4all.nl> - 2012-04-24 10:24 +0200
        Re: Do you want to develop PHP for the Web and make money Torsten Jorgensen <info@stconinc.com> - 2012-04-28 01:50 +0200
          Re: Do you want to develop PHP for the Web and make money Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-04-27 21:58 -0400
            Re: Do you want to develop PHP for the Web and make money Torsten Jorgensen <info@stconinc.com> - 2012-04-29 17:53 +0200
              Re: Do you want to develop PHP for the Web and make money Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-04-29 13:15 -0400
  Re: Do you want to develop PHP for the Web and make money Torsten Jorgensen <info@stconinc.com> - 2012-04-28 01:54 +0200
    Re: Do you want to develop PHP for the Web and make money Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-04-27 22:03 -0400
    Re: Do you want to develop PHP for the Web and make money "M. Strobel" <sorry_no_mail_here@nowhere.dee> - 2012-04-28 10:36 +0200
    Re: Do you want to develop PHP for the Web and make money Graham Hobbs <ghobbs@cdpwise.net> - 2012-04-28 10:01 -0400
      Re: Do you want to develop PHP for the Web and make money The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2012-04-28 16:41 +0100
        Re: Do you want to develop PHP for the Web and make money "M. Strobel" <sorry_no_mail_here@nowhere.dee> - 2012-04-28 20:17 +0200
      Re: Do you want to develop PHP for the Web and make money Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-04-28 14:33 -0400
        Re: Do you want to develop PHP for the Web and make money Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2012-04-28 22:32 +0100
          Re: Do you want to develop PHP for the Web and make money The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2012-04-28 22:56 +0100
            Re: Do you want to develop PHP for the Web and make money Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-04-28 19:36 -0400
          Re: Do you want to develop PHP for the Web and make money Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-04-28 19:36 -0400
          Re: Do you want to develop PHP for the Web and make money Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-04-28 20:24 -0400
            Re: Do you want to develop PHP for the Web and make money Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2012-04-29 13:09 +0100
              Re: Do you want to develop PHP for the Web and make money Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2012-04-29 11:14 -0400

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