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| From | Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.sys.mac.system |
| Subject | Re: Google Drive--Even More Evil |
| Date | 2012-04-26 07:41 -0700 |
| Organization | lined up neatly |
| Message-ID | <jnbmq2$c59$1@reader1.panix.com> (permalink) |
| References | <fmoore-52AF84.12181325042012@news.eternal-september.org> <s3hn69-164.ln1@news.sture.ch> |
On 2012-04-26 09:29:00 +0000, Paul Sture said: > On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 12:18:13 -0400, Fred Moore wrote: >> Google counters that the first sentence of its TOS states: "You retain >> ownership of any intellectual property rights that you hold in that >> content. In short, what belongs to you stays yours." Oh really?!? >> >> What good is 'ownership' if you have given away all the rights? >> >> More details here: >> >> <http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57420551-93/who-owns-your-files-on- > goog >> le-drive/> >> > > But are they any worse than the rest? Maybe. > > From Ars Technica: > > <http://bit.ly/IevpHq> > ---------------------- > Google Drive files can end up in ads, even though you still own them Note that that article discusses Dropbox, iCloud, Microsoft SkyDrive, and Google Drive but does not address Wuala -- which, unlike the rest of them, does not have the ability to access or read your files because they don't have your encryption key. (Though all bets are probably off for anything you put into Wuala into a "public" area, such as their photo file sharing section). All the rest retain a key to unencrypt your data for "your" (and their) convenience - which has advantages - it can allow them to do things like make it easier for third party apps to access/use your data, set up a web page for you to be able to get at your data without a local app, etc etc. But it also means that, for example, if they are told to comply with law enforcement and turn your data over, they can turn it over unencrypted. Wuala also has to turn over data to law enforcement if asked - but since they don't have your keys, at most they can turn over your encrypted files. And if they have a security breach (like DropBox had a while back) nobody's going to get at your unencrypted files. At least that's all my understanding of it. I use both Dropbox and Wuala -- for different things. Dropbox definitely has much less obtrusive integration both into my filesystem and into all the apps, especially iOS ones, which can work with it. But the personal content either goes into Wuala or into encrypted files on Dropbox (ie. 1Password uses Dropbox, but the datafile it keeps up there is encrypted by 1Password, not Dropbox).
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Google Drive--Even More Evil Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2012-04-25 12:18 -0400
Re: Google Drive--Even More Evil Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2012-04-25 13:09 -0400
Re: Google Drive--Even More Evil JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-04-25 13:44 -0400
Re: Google Drive--Even More Evil Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-04-25 13:59 -0700
Re: Google Drive--Even More Evil Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-04-25 23:03 +0200
Re: Google Drive--Even More Evil Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-04-26 11:29 +0200
Re: Google Drive--Even More Evil Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-04-26 07:41 -0700
Re: Google Drive--Even More Evil Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-04-26 19:21 -0400
Re: Google Drive--Even More Evil Jim Janney <jjanney@shell.xmission.com> - 2012-04-27 13:27 -0600
Re: Google Drive--Even More Evil Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2012-04-26 12:15 -0400
Re: Google Drive--Even More Evil nospam@see.signature (Richard Maine) - 2012-04-26 09:35 -0700
Re: Google Drive--Even More Evil Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2012-04-26 14:45 -0400
Re: Google Drive--Even More Evil Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2012-04-26 17:43 -0400
Re: Google Drive--Even More Evil Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-05-17 16:40 +0200
Re: Google Drive--Even More Evil Matthew Lybanon <lybanon@earthlink.net> - 2012-04-26 08:25 -0500
Re: Google Drive--Even More Evil Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2012-04-26 10:03 -0400
Re: Google Drive--Even More Evil Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-04-26 19:25 -0400
Re: Google Drive--Even More Evil Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2012-04-26 22:31 -0400
Re: Google Drive--Even More Evil Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2012-04-26 11:56 -0400
Re: Google Drive--Even More Evil Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2012-04-26 12:14 -0400
Re: Google Drive--Even More Evil Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-04-27 14:40 +0200
Re: Google Drive--Even More Evil Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2012-04-27 10:46 -0400
Re: Google Drive--Even More Evil Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2012-04-27 11:25 -0400
Re: Google Drive--Even More Evil Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-04-27 17:51 +0200
Re: Google Drive--Even More Evil John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2012-04-27 15:59 -0700
Re: Google Drive--Even More Evil nospam@see.signature (Richard Maine) - 2012-04-27 18:58 -0700
Re: Google Drive--Even More Evil Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-04-28 10:03 -0400
Re: Google Drive--Even More Evil Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2012-04-28 12:06 -0400
Re: Google Drive--Even More Evil Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-04-28 13:33 -0400
Re: Google Drive--Even More Evil Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2012-04-30 10:47 -0400
Re: Google Drive--Even More Evil Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2012-04-28 12:32 -0400
Re: Google Drive--Even More Evil Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-04-28 22:46 +0200
Re: Google Drive--Even More Evil Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2012-04-30 10:35 -0400
Re: Google Drive--Even More Evil Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-05-01 09:37 +0200
Re: Google Drive--Even More Evil Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-04-28 12:53 +0200
Re: Google Drive--Even More Evil "Wayne C. Morris" <wayne.morris@this.is.invalid> - 2012-04-27 10:14 -0500
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