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Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...?

From "Alf P. Steinbach" <alf.p.steinbach+usenet@gmail.com>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c++
Subject Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...?
Date 2012-04-13 02:34 +0200
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On 13.04.2012 01:48, Noah Roberts wrote:
> On Apr 12, 2:31 pm, Joshua Maurice<joshuamaur...@gmail.com>  wrote:
>
>> Ok. Sorry. This is now an unintentional argument over definitions
>> ("philosophy" and "idiom" and "policy"). The argument is not terribly
>> interesting. I am glad we are otherwise in agreement.
>
> Except that you claimed that scope guards are a kind of RAII that that
> does not appear to be the case.  They are *similar*, in that they both
> use the destructor to cause something to happen when scope is exited,
> but not the same.  RAII for one clearly means that we're acquiring a
> resource as we initialize an object...that is the fundamental part of
> scope based creation/destruction events that makes something RAII.
> Scope guards don't necessarily do that nor are they necessarily about
> any resource at all...they might just print a message if you don't
> tell them not to.
>
> Thus my question remains and you've done little but serve to distract
> the conversation.  When talking about these different things, and it's
> important that they have different terms because they are in fact
> different, what do you call something that's sort of like a scope
> guard but does not have a backout...in other words you never release
> it.
>
> Before you go saying it's the same thing...it's not:
> http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/More_C%2B%2B_Idioms/Scope_Guard

The Wikipedia article is written by someone who doesn't understand a 
thing, and who treats obvious things as significant.

It's very annoying with such wanna-be academics.

You better read up on the original DDJ article by Alexandrescu & Marginan.


Cheers & hth.,

- Alf

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Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? Noah Roberts <roberts.noah@gmail.com> - 2012-04-10 13:47 -0700
  Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? Joshua Maurice <joshuamaurice@gmail.com> - 2012-04-10 14:36 -0700
    Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? Noah Roberts <roberts.noah@gmail.com> - 2012-04-11 09:10 -0700
      Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? Joshua Maurice <joshuamaurice@gmail.com> - 2012-04-11 12:28 -0700
        Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? Noah Roberts <roberts.noah@gmail.com> - 2012-04-11 13:29 -0700
          Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-04-12 02:29 +0100
          Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? Joshua Maurice <joshuamaurice@gmail.com> - 2012-04-12 14:31 -0700
            Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? Noah Roberts <roberts.noah@gmail.com> - 2012-04-12 16:48 -0700
              Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? "Alf P. Steinbach" <alf.p.steinbach+usenet@gmail.com> - 2012-04-13 02:34 +0200
                Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org> - 2012-04-13 10:57 +0900
                Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? "Alf P. Steinbach" <alf.p.steinbach+usenet@gmail.com> - 2012-04-13 09:52 +0200
                Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-04-13 10:48 +0100
                Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org> - 2012-04-13 22:18 +0900
                Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? Noah Roberts <roberts.noah@gmail.com> - 2012-04-13 09:21 -0700
        Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2012-04-11 21:36 +0000
          Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? Noah Roberts <roberts.noah@gmail.com> - 2012-04-11 16:07 -0700
            Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? Juha Nieminen <nospam@thanks.invalid> - 2012-04-12 06:10 +0000
              Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2012-04-12 18:18 +0100
                Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? Juha Nieminen <nospam@thanks.invalid> - 2012-04-13 04:52 +0000
                Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2012-04-13 06:59 +0100
                Never using free() or realloc().  Destroying heaps.  @Jeff-Relf.Me - 2012-04-13 00:55 -0700
      Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-04-11 21:28 +0100
        Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? Noah Roberts <roberts.noah@gmail.com> - 2012-04-11 13:40 -0700
          Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-04-12 02:27 +0100
            Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2012-04-12 17:25 +0000
              Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2012-04-12 19:21 +0100
            Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? Noah Roberts <roberts.noah@gmail.com> - 2012-04-12 16:38 -0700
              Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-04-13 11:02 +0100
          Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com - 2012-04-13 00:29 -0700
      Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com - 2012-04-13 00:14 -0700

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