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Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...?

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Noah Roberts wrote:

> Well, I'd disagree with you on that and so does most if not all of the
> documentation on the subject; all that I've seen at any rate.  It is
> true that using the RAII idiom as policy is a good policy decision, at
> least in my opinion (not everyone's), but it's still an idiom rather
> than a philosophy.  It can form a part of a philosophic framework
> though.
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resource_Acquisition_Is_Initialization

I don't know what you were trying to do, but your comment was a bit of a 
mind bender. You started by trying to imply that somehow Joshua Maurice was 
wrong but then you proceeded to support and corroborate everything he said.  

And just to entertain the idea that Joshua Maurice's claim was wrong, then 
that would make Bjarne Stroustrup also wrong.[1]  If you take the time to 
read 14.4.1 from Stroustrup's "The C++ programming language" you will 
realize that what's described there is essentially (or, arguably, exactly) 
what Joshua Maurice just pointed out.

Regarding your assertion that RAII is an "idiom rather than a philosophy", 
it isn't very reasonable.  You are trying to discuss whether the term refers 
to the underlying principle, which you appear to deny, or one of the ways it 
can be implemented, which you appear to support.


Rui Maciel

[¹] http://www2.research.att.com/~bs/glossary.html#Gresource-acquisition-is-
initialization

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Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? Noah Roberts <roberts.noah@gmail.com> - 2012-04-10 13:47 -0700
  Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? Joshua Maurice <joshuamaurice@gmail.com> - 2012-04-10 14:36 -0700
    Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? Noah Roberts <roberts.noah@gmail.com> - 2012-04-11 09:10 -0700
      Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? Joshua Maurice <joshuamaurice@gmail.com> - 2012-04-11 12:28 -0700
        Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? Noah Roberts <roberts.noah@gmail.com> - 2012-04-11 13:29 -0700
          Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-04-12 02:29 +0100
          Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? Joshua Maurice <joshuamaurice@gmail.com> - 2012-04-12 14:31 -0700
            Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? Noah Roberts <roberts.noah@gmail.com> - 2012-04-12 16:48 -0700
              Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? "Alf P. Steinbach" <alf.p.steinbach+usenet@gmail.com> - 2012-04-13 02:34 +0200
                Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org> - 2012-04-13 10:57 +0900
                Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? "Alf P. Steinbach" <alf.p.steinbach+usenet@gmail.com> - 2012-04-13 09:52 +0200
                Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-04-13 10:48 +0100
                Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org> - 2012-04-13 22:18 +0900
                Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? Noah Roberts <roberts.noah@gmail.com> - 2012-04-13 09:21 -0700
        Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2012-04-11 21:36 +0000
          Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? Noah Roberts <roberts.noah@gmail.com> - 2012-04-11 16:07 -0700
            Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? Juha Nieminen <nospam@thanks.invalid> - 2012-04-12 06:10 +0000
              Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2012-04-12 18:18 +0100
                Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? Juha Nieminen <nospam@thanks.invalid> - 2012-04-13 04:52 +0000
                Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2012-04-13 06:59 +0100
                Never using free() or realloc().  Destroying heaps.  @Jeff-Relf.Me - 2012-04-13 00:55 -0700
      Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-04-11 21:28 +0100
        Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? Noah Roberts <roberts.noah@gmail.com> - 2012-04-11 13:40 -0700
          Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-04-12 02:27 +0100
            Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2012-04-12 17:25 +0000
              Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2012-04-12 19:21 +0100
            Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? Noah Roberts <roberts.noah@gmail.com> - 2012-04-12 16:38 -0700
              Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-04-13 11:02 +0100
          Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com - 2012-04-13 00:29 -0700
      Re: Terminology - RAII vs. Scope Guard vs...? nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com - 2012-04-13 00:14 -0700

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