Re: The container abstraction and parallel programming

From	jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.c
Subject	Re: The container abstraction and parallel programming
Date	2012-01-07 00:41 +0100
Organization	lccwin
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Le 07/01/12 00:30, Ben Pfaff a écrit :
> jacob navia<jacob@spamsink.net>  writes:
>
>> Le 07/01/12 00:08, Ben Pfaff a écrit :
>>> jacob navia<jacob@spamsink.net>   writes:
>>>
>>>> Today, more than 10 years tafter Intel introduced the first SIMD
>>>> instructions it is still not possible to use those instructions to do
>>>> SIMD programming when you use C and two mainstream compilers like gcc
>>>> or MSVC.
>>>>
>>>>   From the C side there is absolutely no support for this type of
>>>> programming, even though plain arrays could do the trick obviously.
>>>
>>> "absolutely no support"?  You exaggerate:
>>> http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-4.6.2/gcc/X86-Built_002din-Functions.html#X86-Built_002din-Functions
>>
>> Look, those functions exist of curse but that is not standard C, those
>> functions have no links to the rest  of the language.
>
> If that's your purpose then I don't know why you started out by
> saying that you can't do it with "mainstream compilers like GCC".

... and MSVC, and ANY compiler now. It wasn't directed against gcc
specifically.

Because all those compilers propose
the same thing as gcc/Intel compilers do: a series of machine dependent
intrinsics that make your code not portable at all, and maybe because of
that are not accepted by a large user base.

What I wanted to propose is a more abstract and portable way of doing 
SIMD than just using pseudo functions that map to one instructions of 
the Intel instruction set.

Obviously the problem is there since all that those intrinsics propose
is very low level operations (what amounts to more or less returning to
àssembly language in C since all the intrinsics map to specific
Intel/AMD instructions).

What my aim is is to start a discussion about what kind of constructs 
could be used to abstract from those operations into more general concepts.

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The container abstraction and parallel programming jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-01-07 00:02 +0100
  Re: The container abstraction and parallel programming blp@cs.stanford.edu (Ben Pfaff) - 2012-01-06 15:08 -0800
    Re: The container abstraction and parallel programming jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-01-07 00:27 +0100
      Re: The container abstraction and parallel programming blp@cs.stanford.edu (Ben Pfaff) - 2012-01-06 15:30 -0800
        Re: The container abstraction and parallel programming jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-01-07 00:41 +0100
  Re: The container abstraction and parallel programming Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2012-01-07 00:04 +0000
    Re: The container abstraction and parallel programming jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-01-07 09:06 +0100
    Re: The container abstraction and parallel programming Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-01-08 03:42 -0800
  Re: The container abstraction and parallel programming Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-01-07 13:50 +1300
    Re: The container abstraction and parallel programming jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-01-07 09:31 +0100
      Re: The container abstraction and parallel programming Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-01-07 22:03 +1300
      Re: The container abstraction and parallel programming Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2012-01-07 07:39 -0600
        Re: The container abstraction and parallel programming Gene <gene.ressler@gmail.com> - 2012-01-07 09:27 -0800
          Re: The container abstraction and parallel programming Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2012-01-08 11:37 -0600
            Re: The container abstraction and parallel programming jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-01-08 18:42 +0100
        Re: The container abstraction and parallel programming jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-01-08 11:48 +0100
          Re: The container abstraction and parallel programming ec429 <ec429@cam.ac.uk> - 2012-01-08 11:16 +0000
          Re: The container abstraction and parallel programming Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2012-01-08 11:52 -0600
            Re: The container abstraction and parallel programming Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-01-08 14:17 -0800
              Re: The container abstraction and parallel programming pete <pfiland@mindspring.com> - 2012-01-08 22:08 -0500
              Re: The container abstraction and parallel programming Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2012-01-09 11:07 -0600
                Re: The container abstraction and parallel programming Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-01-09 14:55 -0800
            Re: The container abstraction and parallel programming jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-01-09 00:22 +0100
          Re: The container abstraction and parallel programming Nobody <nobody@nowhere.com> - 2012-01-09 14:19 +0000
            Re: The container abstraction and parallel programming Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-01-09 16:40 +0000
            Re: The container abstraction and parallel programming Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2012-01-09 17:53 +0000
            Re: The container abstraction and parallel programming Gene <gene.ressler@gmail.com> - 2012-01-10 16:58 -0800
  Re: The container abstraction and parallel programming Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2012-01-07 01:28 -0600
  Re: The container abstraction and parallel programming Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-01-07 09:39 +0100
    Re: The container abstraction and parallel programming jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-01-07 09:54 +0100
      Re: The container abstraction and parallel programming Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-01-07 11:36 +0100
  Re: The container abstraction and parallel programming Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2012-01-08 08:08 +0000
    Re: The container abstraction and parallel programming jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-01-08 11:41 +0100
      Re: The container abstraction and parallel programming jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-01-08 11:53 +0100
      Re: The container abstraction and parallel programming jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-01-08 11:59 +0100
      Re: The container abstraction and parallel programming ec429 <ec429@cam.ac.uk> - 2012-01-08 11:05 +0000
        Re: The container abstraction and parallel programming jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-01-08 12:29 +0100
          Re: The container abstraction and parallel programming ec429 <ec429@cam.ac.uk> - 2012-01-08 13:35 +0000
      Re: The container abstraction and parallel programming gwowen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2012-01-09 01:09 -0800
      Re: The container abstraction and parallel programming Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-01-26 09:23 -0800
        Re: The container abstraction and parallel programming jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-01-26 23:41 +0100
          Re: The container abstraction and parallel programming Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-03-07 16:18 -0800

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