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Re: Toughest Probability Question

From "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c
Subject Re: Toughest Probability Question
Date 2011-12-13 23:34 +0000
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"Keith Thompson" <kst-u@mib.org> wrote in message
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> "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> writes:
>> "Keith Thompson" <kst-u@mib.org> wrote in message

>>> An annual gathering of the No Two Birthdays Alike club, which has
>>> 366 members (and lives up to its name), satisfies the conditions
>>> stated in the problem and results in a 0 probability that at least
>>> two of them have the same birthday.
>>
>> That's true. But it doesn't say anything about what kind of people are in
>> the room, therefore we can't speculate.
>
> Agreed.
>
> And yet you *are* speculating.  Specifically, you're speculating
> that the birthdays are randomly distributed.

I'm not speculating at all. That's why I have to come up with a probability
that is not 0% or 100%.

The probability can't be 100% unless there are 367 people gathered, as you
say, and it cannot be 0% unless you have a group of one person or less.

What you're saying is that with a group size of 2 to 366 people, any
probability you can come up with (for at least two of the group to share a
birthday) is meaningless. But I think that figure does have a practical use.

-- 
bartc 

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Re: Toughest Probability Question pete <pfiland@mindspring.com> - 2011-12-12 19:29 -0500
  Re: Toughest Probability Question Seebs <usenet-nospam@seebs.net> - 2011-12-13 04:46 +0000
    Re: Toughest Probability Question Geoff <geoff@invalid.invalid> - 2011-12-12 22:19 -0800
      Re: Toughest Probability Question Seebs <usenet-nospam@seebs.net> - 2011-12-13 09:19 +0000
        Re: Toughest Probability Question "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2011-12-13 13:43 +0000
          Re: Toughest Probability Question Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-12-13 10:27 -0800
            Re: Toughest Probability Question "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2011-12-13 19:52 +0000
              Re: Toughest Probability Question Seebs <usenet-nospam@seebs.net> - 2011-12-13 20:06 +0000
              Re: Toughest Probability Question Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-12-13 12:14 -0800
                Re: Toughest Probability Question "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2011-12-13 23:34 +0000
                Re: Toughest Probability Question Seebs <usenet-nospam@seebs.net> - 2011-12-14 00:24 +0000
          Re: Toughest Probability Question Seebs <usenet-nospam@seebs.net> - 2011-12-13 19:27 +0000
            Re: Toughest Probability Question "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2011-12-13 23:56 +0000
              Re: Toughest Probability Question Seebs <usenet-nospam@seebs.net> - 2011-12-14 00:24 +0000
                Re: Toughest Probability Question "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2011-12-14 12:12 +0000
                Re: Toughest Probability Question Seebs <usenet-nospam@seebs.net> - 2011-12-14 17:47 +0000
                Re: Toughest Probability Question gordonb.qunma@burditt.org (Gordon Burditt) - 2011-12-15 08:22 -0600
                Re: Toughest Probability Question Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2011-12-15 14:41 -0600
                Re: Toughest Probability Question superpollo <superpollo@tznvy.pbz> - 2011-12-15 19:14 +0100
                Re: Toughest Probability Question Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-12-14 13:12 -0800
                Re: Toughest Probability Question Willem <willem@toad.stack.nl> - 2011-12-14 21:53 +0000
                Re: Toughest Probability Question "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2011-12-14 22:35 +0000
                Re: Toughest Probability Question Willem <willem@toad.stack.nl> - 2011-12-15 09:07 +0000
                Re: Toughest Probability Question Geoff <geoff@invalid.invalid> - 2011-12-15 02:07 -0800
                Re: Toughest Probability Question Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-12-15 12:13 -0800
                Re: Toughest Probability Question Geoff <geoff@invalid.invalid> - 2011-12-15 13:03 -0800
                Re: Toughest Probability Question Seebs <usenet-nospam@seebs.net> - 2011-12-15 21:36 +0000
              Re: Toughest Probability Question Geoff <geoff@invalid.invalid> - 2011-12-13 16:35 -0800
                Re: Toughest Probability Question Seebs <usenet-nospam@seebs.net> - 2011-12-14 01:20 +0000
              Re: Toughest Probability Question Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-12-13 16:44 -0800
                Re: Toughest Probability Question Seebs <usenet-nospam@seebs.net> - 2011-12-14 01:20 +0000
                Re: Toughest Probability Question James Dow Allen <jdallen2000@yahoo.com> - 2011-12-15 02:33 -0800
                Re: Toughest Probability Question gwowen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2011-12-15 05:38 -0800
                Re: Toughest Probability Question Thad Smith <ThadSmith@acm.org> - 2011-12-18 23:34 -0700
                Re: Toughest Probability Question Bill Reid <hormelfree@gmail.com> - 2011-12-14 07:07 -0800
    Re: Toughest Probability Question Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2011-12-13 06:55 +0000
      Re: Toughest Probability Question Seebs <usenet-nospam@seebs.net> - 2011-12-13 09:19 +0000
    Re: Toughest Probability Question pete <pfiland@mindspring.com> - 2011-12-13 12:15 -0500
      Re: Toughest Probability Question pete <pfiland@mindspring.com> - 2011-12-13 13:20 -0500
        Re: Toughest Probability Question Peter Nilsson <airia@acay.com.au> - 2011-12-13 18:15 -0800
          Re: Toughest Probability Question pete <pfiland@mindspring.com> - 2011-12-13 21:52 -0500

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