Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C

From	Richard Damon <news.x.richarddamon@xoxy.net>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.c
Subject	Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C
Date	2011-09-26 11:40 -0400
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On 9/26/11 6:07 AM, BartC wrote:
> "James Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:j5o0vd$jqr$1@dont-email.me...
>> On 09/25/2011 03:43 PM, BartC wrote:
>
>>> Are you saying that while an implementation's char type can be signed or
>>> unsigned, it's isalpha() function assumes unsigned?
>
>> Keep in mind that the standard specifies that fgetc() "obtains that
>> character as an unsigned char converted to an int", unless it returns
>> EOF to indicate an error. Those specifications make fgetc() and the
>> character classification macros good matches for each other.
>
> OK, so everywhere you look, it's clear that having unsigned char types is a
> good idea.
>
> So, even if signed chars are not eliminated completely, why are they so
> popular, given that it is (presumably) the implementation's free choice to
> choose between signed and unsigned? (At least, the three compilers I have,
> all have char as signed.)
>
> Then signed chars would only ever be used by someone needing a small
> signed integer.
>

My guess is that there must be a body of code that expects (incorrectly) 
that "plain" char will be signed, and implementations are choosing chars 
to be signed to meet customers need.

Those who know better, add the cast to unsigned, those that don't 
probably more expect it to be signed.

Note that the isxxx functions work properly with signed characters as 
long as the character set uses just base ASCII. Where it starts to fail 
is when you get into extended character sets, and you need to do more 
than just make char unsigned to handle those, so other parts of the 
program will break as well, and the "undefined behavior" that comes out 
of putting negative values into them is normally "just" wrong answers, 
not "crashes", and if you don't know enough to set the locale, the 
answers are likely unspecified anyway. If you know enough to set the 
locale, you probably know enough to add the cast, or to change the 
setting on the compiler to make char unsigned for your program.

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A very simple parser with scanf & C pozz <pozzugno@gmail.com> - 2011-09-23 07:03 -0700
  Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C Nobody <nobody@nowhere.com> - 2011-09-23 18:28 +0100
  Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2011-09-23 18:29 +0100
    Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C pozz <pozzugno@gmail.com> - 2011-09-23 23:16 +0200
      Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2011-09-24 00:09 +0100
        Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C pozz <pozzugno@gmail.com> - 2011-09-24 09:32 +0200
  Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2011-09-23 21:24 +0100
    Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2011-09-23 22:00 +0100
      Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2011-09-24 00:04 +0100
        Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2011-09-24 00:34 +0100
          Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2011-09-24 01:00 +0100
            Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2011-09-24 02:42 +0100
              Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2011-09-24 12:13 +0100
                Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2011-09-24 12:25 +0100
                Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2011-09-24 15:05 +0100
                Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2011-09-24 14:45 +0100
                Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2011-09-24 17:45 +0100
                Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2011-09-24 22:21 +0100
                Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2011-09-25 00:52 +0100
                Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2011-09-25 01:54 +0100
                Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2011-09-25 02:51 +0100
                Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2011-09-25 12:22 +0100
                Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C Gene <gene.ressler@gmail.com> - 2011-09-25 01:35 -0700
                Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C pete <pfiland@mindspring.com> - 2011-09-25 08:41 -0400
                Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C Gene <gene.ressler@gmail.com> - 2011-09-25 11:23 -0700
                Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C Phil Carmody <thefatphil_demunged@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-09-25 19:41 +0300
                Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2011-09-25 19:45 +0100
                Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-09-25 12:10 -0700
                Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2011-09-25 20:43 +0100
                Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2011-09-25 15:55 -0400
                Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2011-09-26 11:07 +0100
                Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C Richard Damon <news.x.richarddamon@xoxy.net> - 2011-09-26 11:40 -0400
                Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-09-26 12:22 -0700
                Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C pacman@kosh.dhis.org (Alan Curry) - 2011-09-26 21:19 +0000
                Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-09-26 16:11 -0700
                Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2011-09-26 23:26 +0100
                Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-09-26 12:18 -0700
                Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C Phil Carmody <thefatphil_demunged@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-09-27 02:27 +0300
                Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-09-27 10:06 -0700
                Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2011-09-27 21:10 +0100
                Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C Seebs <usenet-nospam@seebs.net> - 2011-09-26 22:59 +0000
                Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2011-09-30 05:18 -0700
                Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2011-09-30 17:06 +0100
                Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C Richard Damon <news.x.richarddamon@xoxy.net> - 2011-09-25 18:05 -0400
                Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-09-25 15:30 -0700
                Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-01-24 14:01 -0800
                Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C pete <pfiland@mindspring.com> - 2012-01-25 11:05 -0500
                Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-01-31 16:01 -0800
                Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C pete <pfiland@mindspring.com> - 2012-01-31 23:47 -0500
                Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-03-08 09:21 -0800
                Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C pete <pfiland@mindspring.com> - 2012-03-10 15:18 -0500
                Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-03-13 15:49 -0700
                Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C pete <pfiland@mindspring.com> - 2012-03-14 18:56 -0500
                Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-03-15 17:37 -0700
                Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C pete <pfiland@mindspring.com> - 2012-03-17 00:24 -0500
                Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-03-21 05:21 -0700
    Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C pozz <pozzugno@gmail.com> - 2011-09-23 23:23 +0200
      Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2011-09-23 23:53 +0100
  Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2011-09-25 14:07 +0100

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