Re: Monitors

From	Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.misc
Subject	Re: Monitors
Date	2012-06-03 14:01 -0400
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David Brown <david.brown@removethis.hesbynett.no> writes:

> On 01/06/12 21:11, Dan Espen wrote:
>> Patrick<Patrick@none.com>  writes:
>>
>>> On Fri, 01 Jun 2012 17:17:57 +0000, Stan Bischof wrote:
>>>
>>>> notbob<notbob@nothome.com>  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The best recommendation is to go to a real live shop where you can try
>>>>>> them out and look at the pictures.......
>>>>>
>>>>> Yep.  Nothing like a plain ol' viewing test to see what's what.
>>>>>
>>>>> I haven't been in some time, but I know plasma TVs were once atrocious.
>>>>>   Extremely limited viewing cone.  This has probably changed.  I'd stick
>>>>> with LCD technology.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> for the moment perhaps, but if you really want good viewing angles you
>>>> want an LED screen - and I don't mean the so-called "led" screens that
>>>> are really just an led backlight for an LCD.
>>>>
>>>> LED screens can approach 180 deg viewing angle- far more than plasma or
>>>> LCD
>>>>
>>>> Stan
>>>
>>> I think the next screen I buy I'll look for a higher refresh rate.
>>> Perhaps 80hz or even 100hz instead of the normal 60hz.
>>> Hard to find but I'm sure they exist.
>>
>> I strongly recommend staying away from CRTs.
>> For computer work an LCD beats a CRT to death.
>>
>
> It's hard to get at all CRTs now - they are not even common for
> second-hand, as they have so low re-sale value, and are so big and
> heavy.  Baring a very few niche areas, no one would buy a CRT now.
> The majority are LCD screens, with a few plasma, OLED, etc.
>
>> As far as "refresh rate" on an LCD:
>>
>>    The closest  equivalent to  a refresh  rate on an  LCD monitor  is its
>>    frame rate, which is often locked  at 60 frame/s.
>
> There are only two frame rates realistically available for LCD
> monitors. The huge majority at 60 frames per second, while there are a
> few at 120 frames per second aimed specifically at 3D, so that each
> eye gets 60 frames per second.
>
> As you say, there is /no/ flicker on LCDs (or other flatscreen
> technologies).  It doesn't matter what the frame rate is, because they
> are not being turned on and off at that rate, merely updated at that
> rate.  And since 60 frames per second is much faster than the eye can
> see movement, there is no point in going any faster.
>
> What /does/ vary between screens is the response time - how fast a
> pixel can change from fully on to fully off.  Any modern screen is
> going to be good enough for most uses, including video, but some that
> are designed for the highest quality static pictures (such as IPS
> screens) are poor at very fast video games.
>
>>
>> For an LCD you shop for resolution and size.
>> I'm currently at 20.5 inches and 1600x1200.
>> (DELL).
>>
>> I wouldn't mind 24 inches or even 30 but anything less than
>> the vertical 1200 is out of the question.
>>
>
> 1600x1200 are getting rare and expensive.  The majority of screens use
> full HD resolution - 1920 x 1080.  I agree that having 1200 pixels
> vertically is much nicer than 1080 for a computer - but on my brief
> check of prices, the cheapest 1600 x 1200 I found is almost 50% more
> expensive than the cheapest 1920 x 1200 - and over three times the
> price of the cheapest 1920 x 1080.
>
> If you've got the money, there is a lot to be said for 2560x1440 - you
> get a nice big monitor, and the price is getting quite
> reasonable. Remember that a good monitor will last longer than your
> computer, and make a bigger difference to your working environment
> than the speed of the processor or graphics card.

Yes I agree with everything you've said.

Maybe because I've had CRTs and now LCDs with 1200 vertical pixels so long
I'm slightly prejudiced.  But I would not trade my 20.5 1600x1200 for
30 inches of 1920x1080.  I'd consider that a loss of 120 pixels with
the horizontal gain being no real advantage.

You're right that the prices really start to go up at the higher
resolutions but for me, the monitor is the most important part of
the whole machine.

-- 
Dan Espen

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Monitors Steve <tinker123@gmail.com> - 2012-05-20 05:52 -0700
  Re: Monitors David Brown <david.brown@removethis.hesbynett.no> - 2012-05-20 17:29 +0200
    Re: Monitors notbob <notbob@nothome.com> - 2012-05-20 15:35 +0000
      Re: Monitors Stan Bischof <stan@worldbadminton.com> - 2012-06-01 17:17 +0000
        Re: Monitors Patrick <Patrick@none.com> - 2012-06-01 18:58 +0000
          Re: Monitors Stan Bischof <stan@worldbadminton.com> - 2012-06-01 19:09 +0000
            Re: Monitors Patrick <0001patrick@gmail.com> - 2012-06-01 23:35 +0000
            Re: Monitors Patrick <0001patrick@gmail.com> - 2012-06-01 23:47 +0000
          Re: Monitors Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2012-06-01 15:11 -0400
            Re: Monitors David Brown <david.brown@removethis.hesbynett.no> - 2012-06-03 19:00 +0200
              Re: Monitors Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2012-06-03 14:01 -0400
                Re: Monitors David Brown <david.brown@removethis.hesbynett.no> - 2012-06-03 23:10 +0200
                Re: Monitors Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2012-06-03 19:06 -0400
        Re: Monitors Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2012-06-02 04:51 +0000
          Re: Monitors unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2012-06-02 05:36 +0000
          Re: Monitors The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2012-06-02 10:41 +0100
          Re: Monitors Stan Bischof <stan@worldbadminton.com> - 2012-06-04 14:27 +0000
            Re: Monitors Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2012-06-04 17:23 +0200
              Re: Monitors Stan Bischof <stan@worldbadminton.com> - 2012-06-04 15:31 +0000
                Re: Monitors David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2012-06-05 09:14 +0200
                Re: Monitors unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2012-06-05 15:46 +0000
              Re: Monitors J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2012-06-04 15:41 +0000
                Re: Monitors Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2012-06-04 18:27 +0200
                Re: Monitors notbob <notbob@nothome.com> - 2012-06-04 17:00 +0000
                Re: Monitors Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2012-06-04 14:14 -0400
                Re: Monitors unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2012-06-04 18:17 +0000
                Re: Monitors notbob <notbob@nothome.com> - 2012-06-04 18:58 +0000
                Re: Monitors Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2012-06-04 16:33 -0400
                Re: Monitors unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2012-06-04 21:17 +0000
                Re: Monitors Stan Bischof <stan@worldbadminton.com> - 2012-06-04 20:52 +0000
        Re: Monitors notbob <notbob@nothome.com> - 2012-06-02 12:36 +0000
          Re: Monitors TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2012-06-02 11:59 -0400
            Re: Monitors notbob <notbob@nothome.com> - 2012-06-02 17:34 +0000
              Re: Monitors TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2012-06-02 15:40 -0400
              Re: Monitors The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2012-06-02 23:45 +0100
                Re: Monitors Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2012-06-03 00:46 +0200
                Re: Monitors The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2012-06-02 23:52 +0100
                Re: Monitors Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2012-06-03 00:54 +0200
                Re: Monitors The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2012-06-03 00:08 +0100
                Re: Monitors notbob <notbob@nothome.com> - 2012-06-03 02:52 +0000
                Re: Monitors The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2012-06-03 13:08 +0100
                Re: Monitors notbob <notbob@nothome.com> - 2012-06-03 13:10 +0000
                Re: Monitors Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2012-06-03 09:57 -0400
                Re: Monitors notbob <notbob@nothome.com> - 2012-06-03 14:25 +0000
                Re: Monitors Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2012-06-03 10:05 +0200
                Re: Monitors TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2012-06-03 08:00 -0400
                Re: Monitors unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2012-06-03 18:16 +0000
    Re: Monitors TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2012-05-24 11:10 -0400
      Re: Monitors David Brown <david.brown@removethis.hesbynett.no> - 2012-05-24 19:32 +0200
        Re: Monitors TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2012-05-25 20:09 -0400
          Re: Monitors J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2012-05-26 09:35 +0000
            Re: Monitors TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2012-05-26 08:07 -0400
              Re: Monitors David Brown <david.brown@removethis.hesbynett.no> - 2012-05-26 19:49 +0200
            Re: Monitors Allodoxaphobia <knock_yourself_out@example.net> - 2012-05-26 16:42 +0000
  Re: Monitors notbob <notbob@nothome.com> - 2012-05-26 00:32 +0000

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