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| From | Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | alt.folklore.computers |
| Subject | Re: ZFS, -> WARNING back top systemd |
| Date | 2020-09-09 12:43 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <hrs0v8FlqecU13@mid.individual.net> (permalink) |
| References | (12 earlier) <rj8vdu$u6c$2@dont-email.me> <rj8vvg$qm4$1@gioia.aioe.org> <rj96h5$jqk$2@dont-email.me> <hrrmb4FlqecU11@mid.individual.net> <rjai5d$m5f$1@dont-email.me> |
On Wed, 09 Sep 2020 08:34:53 -0400, Dan Espen wrote:
> Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> writes:
>> On Tue, 08 Sep 2020 20:10:12 -0400, Dan Espen wrote:
>>
>>> Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> writes:
>>>
>>>> On 09/08/20 23:09, Dan Espen wrote:
>>>>> Chris<xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 09/08/20 20:31, Dan Espen wrote:
>>>>>>> Chris<xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> writes:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I always liked the old cde ankh pattern wallpaper on my old
>>>>>>>> workstations and use that to this day on the current Sol 10
>>>>>>>> machine. Scaled the pattern using gnu convert, changed the colour
>>>>>>>> to a cool green, restful to the eye and tiled that across the
>>>>>>>> screen. Thing is that the pattern looks almost random from a
>>>>>>>> distance, but look carefully to see the detail...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I believe I have 2 Solaris backgrounds in the root show.
>>>>>>> The fishtank and 3d letters spelling SUN.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I mostly use xli (a version of xloadimage) and do the scaling
>>>>>>> during display.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Whatever, but getting back to systemd, was thinking about how it
>>>>>> works internally, since one of the problems it attempts to solve,
>>>>>> apparently, is the startup of various processes in the correct
>>>>>> order and with dependencies. For example, you don't want to start
>>>>>> up the ntp daemon before the networking stack is up and online.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That means it must have an internal priority list for the things
>>>>>> it's responsible for and uses that initially to start the lot, but
>>>>>> sleeping. Checks back every so often to get status, so knows when
>>>>>> other processes are ready be woken up and run.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Various ways to do that, but an interesting design problem none the
>>>>>> less...
>>>>>
>>>>> Not sure what you mean by internal priority list.
>>>>
>>>> Some data file that specifies the dependencies and order in which the
>>>> various services are started up.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> All of that info is in the .service files.
>>>>> There's no hard coded logic about services in systemd.
>>>>
>>>> I wouldn't expect it to. Minimally, all it needs is an ordered list
>>>> of processes and their dependencies.
>>>
>>> It's not really an ordered list;
>>>
>>> Here is the NFS server .service file:
>>>
>>>> cat /usr/lib/systemd/system/nfs-server.service
>>> [Unit]
>>> Description=NFS server and services DefaultDependencies=no
>>> Requires=network.target proc-fs-nfsd.mount Requires=nfs-mountd.service
>>> Wants=rpcbind.socket network-online.target Wants=rpc-statd.service
>>> nfs-idmapd.service Wants=rpc-statd-notify.service
>>> Wants=nfsdcld.service
>>>
>>> After=network-online.target local-fs.target After=proc-fs-nfsd.mount
>>> rpcbind.socket nfs-mountd.service After=nfs-idmapd.service
>>> rpc-statd.service After=nfsdcld.service
>>> Before=rpc-statd-notify.service
>>>
>>> # GSS services dependencies and ordering
>>> Wants=auth-rpcgss-module.service After=rpc-gssd.service
>>> gssproxy.service rpc-svcgssd.service
>>>
>>> [Service]
>>> Type=oneshot RemainAfterExit=yes ExecStartPre=/usr/sbin/exportfs -r
>>> ExecStart=/usr/sbin/rpc.nfsd ExecStart=-/bin/sh -c 'if systemctl -q
>>> is-active gssproxy; then systemctl reload gssproxy ; fi'
>>> ExecStop=/usr/sbin/rpc.nfsd 0 ExecStopPost=/usr/sbin/exportfs -au
>>> ExecStopPost=/usr/sbin/exportfs -f
>>>
>>> ExecReload=/usr/sbin/exportfs -r
>>>
>>> [Install]
>>> WantedBy=multi-user.target
>>>
>>>
>>> Notice how it declares what it requires, it's order, and what wants
>>> it.
>>>
>>> Internally systemd creates a tree structure and works up and down the
>>> tree as needed.
>>>
>>>>> In short what the systemd developers did was look at everything all
>>>>> those custom designed scripts and soft links were doing and
>>>>> abstracted it all into the .service files. You can tell it's a
>>>>> clean design because each service has only 1 file with just a few
>>>>> entries being needed for each service.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> That's a different issue to the priority problem, which I understood
>>>> was one of the things that it was designed to address. Maybe not...
>>>
>>> The .service files declare interdependence. (What you're calling
>>> priority.)
>>
>> No different on FreeBSD really (but without systemd!). A single script,
>> which also declares dependencies.
>>
>> The script starts:
>>
>> #!/bin/sh
>>
>> # PROVIDE: nfsd # REQUIRE: mountcritremote mountd hostname gssd
>> nfsuserd # KEYWORD: nojail shutdown
>>
>> . /etc/rc.subr
>>
>> name="nfsd"
>> desc="Remote NFS server"
>> rcvar="nfs_server_enable"
>> command="/usr/sbin/${name}"
>
> Actually, that looks pretty good.
> Still not as simple as one flat file full of keywords, but at least the
> comments and variables convey some of the same info as systemd.
Packages that have daemons automatically install the file, and no editing
is required except for the one central file that enables it.
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