Re: Aether, the playdough of God

From	Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid>
Newsgroups	sci.physics
Subject	Re: Aether, the playdough of God
Date	2019-02-14 19:53 +1100
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On 14/02/2019 6:49 pm, benj wrote:
> On 2/13/2019 9:48 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> On 14/02/2019 12:39 pm, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
>>> Aether is infinitely fine, infinitely elastic solid MATTER permeating 
>>> the entire universe. Aether is so fine that atoms glide through it. 
>>> It fills up interatomic space. Aether conceals into what we call mass 
>>> as two opposite charges. Aether supplies the mass for the growth of 
>>> life forms. Death and decay cause return of that mass to aether.
>>>
>>> Aether is the playdough of God.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Arindam Banerjee
>>>
>>
>> If only things were that simple. The existence of the Aether raised 
>> all sorts of problems, which the bright minds of the century before 
>> last were unable to solve to their own satisfaction. Then Einstein 
>> showed that it's not needed, and most people were happy as a result.
>>
>> Sylvia.
> 
> So you think science is determined by a majority vote just like climate 
> science? While it's true all the problems with aether were not solved by 
> the brightest minds, they did make a pretty good start on it.

They ended up with the Lorentz transform, which still bears his name. 
Though it was still ostensibly Aether based, it contained no reference 
to the Aether in the math. It amounted to saying that the Aether could 
be ignored, because it had no measurable effect on anything. By that 
time, nothing remained of the kind of Aether that present day relativity 
deniers favour, because the time dilation and length contraction effects 
were already there, as were the lack of simultaneity and the velocity 
composition rule, even if people hadn't necessarily realised the latter 
points the time.

Einstein showed that you didn't need to start with an Aether, and then 
give it increasingly improbable attributes. All you needed to do was 
start with a couple of basic ideas, and you would arrive directly at the 
Lorentz transform.

If you mysteriously delete Einstein from history, and assume that no one 
else did the same work, then you lose E=mc^2, and general relativity, 
but the other mathematical consequences of special relativity remain, 
because the Lorentz transform already existed.

If you try to restore a denier's view of the world, you're just going 
back to a situation that those earlier minds spent so much effort trying 
explain.

Sylvia.

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Aether, the playdough of God Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2019-02-13 17:39 -0800
  Re: Aether, the playdough of God Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2019-02-14 13:48 +1100
    Re: Aether, the playdough of God Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2019-02-13 21:06 -0800
      Re: Aether, the playdough of God Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2019-02-14 16:31 +1100
        Re: Aether, the playdough of God Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2019-02-13 21:53 -0800
          Re: Aether, the playdough of God Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2019-02-14 17:25 +1100
            Re: Aether, the playdough of God Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2019-02-13 23:47 -0800
              Re: Aether, the playdough of God Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2019-02-14 19:56 +1100
                Re: Aether, the playdough of God Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2019-02-14 23:28 -0800
                Re: Aether, the playdough of God john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-02-15 16:49 -0800
                Re: Aether, the playdough of God Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2019-02-15 17:43 -0800
                Re: Aether, the playdough of God benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2019-02-16 07:34 -0500
                Re: Aether, the playdough of God Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2019-02-16 12:38 -0800
                Re: Aether, the playdough of God benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2019-02-16 17:46 -0500
                Re: Aether, the playdough of God Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2019-02-16 16:52 -0800
                Re: Aether, the playdough of God benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2019-02-17 06:19 -0500
                Re: Aether, the playdough of God Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2019-02-17 17:56 -0800
                Re: Aether, the playdough of God Buck Futter <DognPolisher@hotmail.com> - 2019-02-17 19:38 -0800
                Re: Aether, the playdough of God benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2019-02-18 07:43 -0500
                Re: Aether, the playdough of God Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2019-02-18 15:39 -0800
                Re: Aether, the playdough of God benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2019-02-18 20:07 -0500
                Re: Aether, the playdough of God Buck Futter <DognPolisher@hotmail.com> - 2019-02-16 16:44 -0800
                Re: Aether, the playdough of God Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2019-02-19 01:55 -0800
                Re: Aether, the playdough of God Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2019-02-15 17:40 -0800
                Re: Aether, the playdough of God Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2019-02-15 23:25 -0800
                Re: Aether, the playdough of God Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2019-02-16 15:32 -0800
                Re: Aether, the playdough of God Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2019-02-17 19:32 -0800
                Re: Aether, the playdough of God Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2019-02-18 09:47 -0800
                Re: Aether, the playdough of God Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2019-02-18 13:25 -0800
                Re: Aether, the playdough of God kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2019-02-16 10:13 -0800
                Re: Aether, the playdough of God Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2019-02-16 15:37 -0800
                Re: Aether, the playdough of God kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2019-02-17 06:51 -0800
                Re: Aether, the playdough of God Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2019-02-16 19:42 +1100
                Re: Aether, the playdough of God benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2019-02-16 07:42 -0500
                Re: Aether, the playdough of God Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2019-02-19 01:55 -0800
                Re: Aether, the playdough of God Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2019-02-19 01:48 -0800
    Re: Aether, the playdough of God benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2019-02-14 02:49 -0500
      Re: Aether, the playdough of God Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2019-02-13 23:59 -0800
      Re: Aether, the playdough of God Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2019-02-14 19:53 +1100
        Re: Aether, the playdough of God benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2019-02-14 16:22 -0500
          Re: Aether, the playdough of God Serg Io <invvalid@invalid.com> - 2019-02-14 18:07 -0600
            Re: Aether, the playdough of God mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2019-02-14 19:59 -0800
            Re: Aether, the playdough of God Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2019-02-15 15:10 -0800
          Re: Aether, the playdough of God Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2019-02-15 17:36 -0800
      Re: Aether, the playdough of God Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2019-02-15 17:30 -0800
  Re: Aether, the playdough of God mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2019-02-13 20:02 -0800
  Re: Aether, the playdough of God kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2019-02-16 09:47 -0800
    Re: Aether, the playdough of God Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2019-02-16 15:34 -0800
  Re: Aether, the playdough of God "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson_invalid@invalid.com> - 2019-02-16 14:11 -0800
    Re: Aether, the playdough of God "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson_invalid@invalid.com> - 2019-02-16 14:13 -0800

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