Re: Who pays for Illegals?

From	Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Newsgroups	talk.politics.guns, misc.survivalism, alt.atheism, alt.politics.economics, alt.philosophy, alt.politics.usa.constitution
Subject	Re: Who pays for Illegals?
Date	2019-01-25 10:48 -0700
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On 1/25/19 10:29 AM, Peter Franks wrote:
> On 1/24/2019 10:52 PM, Snit wrote:
>> On 1/24/19 7:22 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>> On 1/24/2019 5:55 PM, Ted wrote:
>>>> Just Wondering <JW@me.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 1/24/2019 2:04 PM, Snit wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> We tax exchanges.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't.
>>>>>
>>>>> The federal government does.  Why?  If I have a thing, why should
>>>>> I have to pay the federal government if I want to give someone else
>>>>> that thing?
>>>>
>>>> Because they can force you to.
>>>
>>> That's why they can, not why they should.
>>>
>>
>> They should because without doing so there is no society.
> 
> So your basis is that society is based on taking.

Incorrect.

> That's liberalism.

Your false assumption of liberalism. Sure.

> My basis, and the basis of the United States Government is one of 
> protecting.
> 
> That's conservatism.

Keep in mind the main differences between liberal and conservative world 
views:

* Liberals: support equal rights and environmental protection, with a 
focus on investing in the future and building a stronger tie between 
hard work / productivity and financial reward.

Additionally, Liberals want evidence-based regulation and oversight to 
help ensure clean air and water, safe food, and human rights. This 
includes following the scientific evidence about climate change and food 
safety, and things like setting levels of lead and other harmful 
substances allowed, and even to wanting to do research to reduce the 
harm of tools such as cars and guns and swimming pools. This is a form 
of control, and conservatives are right to note that. And they are right 
to note that sometimes these measures are taken too far.

* Conservative: support special entitlements for whites, Christians, 
males, heterosexuals, and the wealthy, with a focus on redistributing 
wealth to the very richest in the nation with the idea that this will 
somehow help others.

Conservatives want regulation and oversight based on their own feelings 
and what they believe has historically existed (which is often 
incorrect), or even just based on their own religion. This includes 
controlling which consenting adults can marry each other, what a woman 
can do with her own body, and even insisting the government gets to 
define YOUR gender. They also work to create regulations on voting to 
limit who can vote, for if the people truly get a voice they know their 
ideas are less likely to be accepted. Liberals are right to call 
conservatives out on this also being a form of control and, I think, a 
less defensible one.

>> But you should have the right to leave... go to a deserted island and 
>> make your thriving business there. No need to be tied to 
>> responsibilities.
> 
> We also have the right to resist that which is wrong.

Sure. I even back civil disobedience.

-- 
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They 
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel 
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

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Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-23 09:51 -0800
  Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-23 19:29 +0000
    Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-23 13:46 -0800
      Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-23 17:33 -0600
        Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-23 18:54 -0800
          Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-24 09:39 -0600
            Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-24 07:48 -0800
              Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-24 12:44 -0600
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-24 12:23 -0800
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-24 14:04 -0700
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-24 17:36 -0700
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Ted <francisgerard@tutanota.com> - 2019-01-25 00:55 +0000
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-24 19:22 -0700
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-24 23:52 -0700
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-25 03:00 -0700
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-25 09:29 -0800
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-25 10:48 -0700
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-24 19:32 -0700
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-25 09:30 -0800
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-25 10:47 -0700
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-24 21:50 -0700
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-24 22:49 -0700
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-25 07:48 +0000
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-25 03:01 -0700
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-25 08:43 -0600
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-25 12:35 -0700
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-25 12:47 -0700
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-25 16:23 -0600
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-25 14:38 -0800
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-25 17:24 -0600
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-24 17:02 -0800
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-25 07:48 +0000
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-25 08:03 -0800
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-25 10:26 -0600
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-25 08:47 -0800
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-25 09:32 -0800
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-25 16:27 +0000
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-25 07:59 -0600
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-25 08:06 -0800
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-25 16:29 +0000
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-25 08:45 -0800
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-25 14:13 -0600
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-25 13:48 -0600
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-25 12:52 -0700
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-25 16:54 -0600
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-25 16:06 -0700
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-25 10:53 -0600
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-25 09:02 -0800
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-25 14:25 -0600
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? BeamMeUpScotty <Not-Sure@idiocracy.gov> - 2019-01-25 16:20 -0500
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-25 16:04 -0600
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-25 14:18 -0800
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-25 16:34 -0600
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-25 14:40 -0800
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-25 21:34 -0600
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-25 20:08 -0800
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-26 06:14 -0600
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-26 08:01 -0800
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-26 11:15 -0600
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-26 10:19 -0800
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-26 13:49 -0600
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-27 07:44 -0800
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-27 12:11 -0600
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-27 11:25 -0800
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-27 14:12 -0600
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-27 19:49 -0800
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-28 08:27 -0600
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-28 07:40 -0700
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-28 08:21 -0800
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? BeamMeUpScotty <Not-Sure@idiocracy.gov> - 2019-01-27 09:38 -0500
                Who's taxes pay for Illegals? BeamMeUpScotty <Not-Sure@idiocracy.gov> - 2019-01-25 17:19 -0500
                Re: Who's taxes pay for Illegals? % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-01-25 15:23 -0700
                Re: Who's taxes pay for Illegals? Ted <francisgerard@tutanota.com> - 2019-01-26 21:04 +0000
                Who's taxes pay for Illegal aliens and incompetent Democrat run businesses? BeamMeUpScotty <Not-Sure@idiocracy.gov> - 2019-01-26 14:06 -0500
                Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-24 15:22 -0600

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