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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | talk.politics.guns, alt.atheism, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic |
| Subject | Re: Trump denies Pelosi aircraft for foreign trip, after call for State of the Union delay |
| Date | 2019-01-24 16:05 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <gau61uF6n99U1@mid.individual.net> (permalink) |
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Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: > On 1/23/19 3:45 PM, Patrick wrote: >> On Wed, 23 Jan 2019 12:18:51 -0700, Snit >> <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: >> >>> On 1/23/19 11:39 AM, Patrick wrote: >>>> nit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: >>>>> Patrick <PBARKER002@woh.rr.com> wrote: >>>>>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Here, claims to prove my point: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> * The Democrats back improved physical barriers >>>>>> >>>>>> + So what? >>>>> >>>>> So the claims to the contrary are lies. >>>> >>>> Improved barriers are not what is required. >>>> A wall is what was asked for. >>>> NOT improved barriers. >>> >>> Then why did Trump lie when he said he did not care what you call it? >> >> Are you so stupid that you can't figure it out? > > > >>>> Walls WORK. Look at the great wall of China, the iron curtain, the >>>> Belfast Peace wall, the wall between Israel and 'palestine," the wall >>>> in Hungar, etc. Walls WORK. >>> >>> Notice, NO evidence the wall Trump is pushing for would offer ANY >>> benefit over the walls we have and the Democrats have agreed to improve >>> / extend. >> >> LIAR. >> Pelosi said: "NO WALL." >> https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2019/01/04/pelosi-says-no-wall-while-trump-allies-put-daca-on-the-table-370394 >> >> >>> Not one bit of benefit shown. >>> The wall will simply not do much. >> >> Stops illegal aliens. Stops drugs and human trafficing. >> Are you stupid? >> >> >>> It will not stop people from seeking asylum. >> >> Of course not. >> That is not the purpose of the wall. >> Maybe you are just stupid. >> >> >> >>> It will not stop people from overstaying visas (which is how the >>> majority of people here illegally get here -- legally). >> >> We don't have the time or money to go after the ones who overstay. >> We are spending our money on trying to catch the illegal criminals who >> are killing the people and stealing their things. >> And then the liberal judges turn them back loose. >> >> >>> It will not do much if anything to stop smuggling of people and drugs. >> >> Yes, it will. >> Are you stupid? >> (That was rhetorical!) >> >> >>> It will not stop people from entering by boat or plane or tunnel >> >> Walls don't do that. >> Are you stupid? >> (That was rhetorical!) >> >> >> >>> You gave no reason the opposition party should give him more for his ego >>> than his own party did. >> >> Because it is the adult thing to do. >> >> >> >>> But good of you to note that there is STILL opposition to him from his >>> own party. There should be more. >> >> Loozers who are not acting like adults. >> >> >> >>>> Your stupid counter was that birds couldn't fly over the fence. >>>> You are stupid. Did I mention this yet? >>> >>> You have no counter but to lie about what I said. >> >> Tell me you didn't mention 108 "Species" of birds. >> Tell me. >> Are you stupid? >> (That was rhetorical!) >> >> >>> You have not shown the wall will help with that in ANY way. No support >>> for your claims. >> >> Are you stupid? >> (That was rhetorical!) >> >> >> >>> Crossing the border is not the way "the large majority of persons now >>> become undocumented," the Center for Migration Studies (CMS) said in a >>> recent report. Two-thirds of those who joined the undocumented >>> population did so by entering with a valid visa and then overstaying >>> their period of admission, the center repored. >> >> We cannot chase the criminals illegally crossing the border AND those >> who overstayed their VISA's. >> >> >> >>> Overstays have exceeded those entering illegally every year since 2007, >>> and there have been half a million more overstays than illegal entries >>> since 2007. >> >> And there are 11 million illegals who crossed the boarder illegally. >> >> >>>> Trump campaign position paper, 2015: Mexico must pay for the wall and, >>>> until they do, the United States will, among other things: impound all >>>> remittance payments derived from illegal wages; increase fees on all >>>> temporary visas issued to Mexican CEOs and diplomats (and if necessary >>>> cancel them); increase fees on all border crossing cards – of which we >>>> issue about 1 million to Mexican nationals each year (a major source >>>> of visa overstays); increase fees on all NAFTA worker visas from >>>> Mexico (another major source of overstays); and increase fees at ports >>>> of entry to the United States from Mexico [Tariffs and foreign aid >>>> cuts are also options]. >>>> >>>> “We’re going to get reimbursed,” Mr. Trump said during a brief >>>> telephone interview. “But I don’t want to wait that long. But you >>>> start, and then you get reimbursed.” >>>> >>>> President Trump noted last week that his campaign promise to build a >>>> wall and have Mexico pay for it “obviously” did not mean getting a >>>> check from the Mexican government directly. >>> >>> Please quote where he said this during the campaign. >> >> No. >> I state it is true. >> You look it up. >> Wait.... >> I forgot you are stupid..... >> I guess I have to lead you to water. >> https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2015/08/16/donald-trump-releases-immigration-reform-plan-designed-to-get-americans-back-to-work/ >> >> >>>> The wall has value. >>> >>> It has a cost... but no value has been shown. >> >> <Yawn> >> >> >>> I am noting issues related to illegal immigration. Interesting how you >>> claim the facts should lead to hating Trump. >> >> <Yawn> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> You liberals just want one thing... to show that Trump cannot deliver >>>> on all his promises. Do you really think obammy did? >>> >>> Cite? >> >> Obama's broken promises. >> >> Raise the minimum wage and index it to inflation. >> Close the prison at Guantanamo Bay. >> Create a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants. >> Close special-interest corporate loopholes. >> End the practice of writing legislation behind closed doors. >> Restrict people moving between lobbying and working in the >> administration. >> Convene a bipartisan group of key lawmakers to foster better >> executive-legislative relations on foreign policy. >> Establish a low national carbon-fuel standard. >> Make a sustained push to support Israel and achieve the goal of two >> states — a Jewish state in Israel and a Palestinian state. >> Double federal funding for basic research over 10 years (2009-2018). >> Ensure freedom to unionize and fight for passage of the Employee Free >> Choice Act. >> Create 1 million new manufacturing jobs between 2012 and 2016. >> Double U.S. exports over the next five years (2013-2017). >> End the war in Afghanistan in 2014. >> Lead the world in college graduates by 2020. >> Train 2 million Americans in a community college-business partnership. >> >> https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/obama-promises/ >> > > > You keep trying to bury / obfuscate the facts. Here they are again (with > some comments: > > * The Democrats back improved physical barriers > > You whined they do not back the term "wall", but Trump has said he does > not care what term is used, and agreed with the terms the Democrats use. > > * Trump and his enablers cannot back that his additional > desires would offer much benefit > > You made unsupported claims of benefits. > > * Trump accepted blame for the shutdown > > You claim he regrets that but offered no support. > > * The Republicans mostly did not even back his request for funding > (hence why he did not get it in past years, and polls back this) > > You noted how not all even back it now. > > * Trump's wall would have bad ecological impacts he ignores > > You had no counter but lied about me saying birds cannot fly over walls. > > * Trump's wall would require using eminent domain to take land > from US citizens > > You noted you did not care if the government takes land even if it > cannot show a need or value to it. > > * Most illegal immigrants do not cross the border illegally > > You denied this even though it is true, then minimized it when you > realized your denial was ignorant. > > * The Democrats are offering to fund border security to the same > level Republicans did last year > > Do not even recall your answer on this. > > * The claim of an "emergency" is not based on anything that has > been emergent... and is thus a lie > > You claimed that there was something that did, but named nothing relevant. > > * We DO have real emergencies which have not been dealt with, > such as water in Flint and disaster relief in Puerto Rico > and California. Trump has withheld funds for these > > You noted that the America First claim is a lie. > > * We have an immigration system that can make people wait > decades to get visas, which leads to a black market > immigration system, much as a 20 year waiting period > would increase the black market for guns > > You showed no understanding of this. > > * The Democrats are offering Trump as much as his own party > did. The idea they refuse to negotiate is a lie. > > You showed no understanding of this. > > > You then made clams about liberals wanting only one thing... but offered > no support for your claim. > > You really are not good at backing your claims. > > Patrick lashed out when it was noted he had no response. He simply has no real point but feels the need to argue.
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Re: Trump denies Pelosi aircraft for foreign trip, after call for State of the Union delay Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-23 13:55 +0000
Re: Trump denies Pelosi aircraft for foreign trip, after call for State of the Union delay Patrick <PBARKER002@woh.rr.com> - 2019-01-23 13:39 -0500
Re: Trump denies Pelosi aircraft for foreign trip, after call for State of the Union delay Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-23 12:18 -0700
Re: Trump denies Pelosi aircraft for foreign trip, after call for State of the Union delay % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-01-23 12:29 -0700
Re: Trump denies Pelosi aircraft for foreign trip, after call for State of the Union delay Patrick <PBARKER002@woh.rr.com> - 2019-01-23 17:45 -0500
Re: Trump denies Pelosi aircraft for foreign trip, after call for State of the Union delay Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-23 16:14 -0700
Re: Trump denies Pelosi aircraft for foreign trip, after call for State of the Union delay Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-23 15:17 -0800
Re: Trump denies Pelosi aircraft for foreign trip, after call for State of the Union delay Patrick <PBARKER002@woh.rr.com> - 2019-01-24 07:08 -0500
Re: Trump denies Pelosi aircraft for foreign trip, after call for State of the Union delay Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-24 13:49 +0000
Re: Trump denies Pelosi aircraft for foreign trip, after call for State of the Union delay Patrick <PBARKER002@woh.rr.com> - 2019-01-24 10:56 -0500
Re: Trump denies Pelosi aircraft for foreign trip, after call for State of the Union delay NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-25 06:24 -0500
Re: Trump denies Pelosi aircraft for foreign trip, after call for State of the Union delay NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-25 06:23 -0500
Re: Trump denies Pelosi aircraft for foreign trip, after call for State of the Union delay Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-24 16:05 +0000
Re: Trump denies Pelosi aircraft for foreign trip, after call for State of the Union delay Patrick <PBARKER002@woh.rr.com> - 2019-01-24 12:25 -0500
Re: Trump denies Pelosi aircraft for foreign trip, after call for State of the Union delay "DoD" <danskisanjar@gmail.com> - 2019-01-24 11:31 -0600
Re: Trump denies Pelosi aircraft for foreign trip, after call for State of the Union delay Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-24 11:32 -0700
Re: Trump denies Pelosi aircraft for foreign trip, after call for State of the Union delay Patrick <PBARKER002@woh.rr.com> - 2019-01-24 15:47 -0500
Re: Trump denies Pelosi aircraft for foreign trip, after call for State of the Union delay Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-24 14:03 -0700
Re: Trump denies Pelosi aircraft for foreign trip, after call for State of the Union delay Patrick <PBARKER002@woh.rr.com> - 2019-01-24 18:54 -0500
Re: Trump denies Pelosi aircraft for foreign trip, after call for State of the Union delay Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-24 14:07 -0700
Re: Trump denies Pelosi aircraft for foreign trip, after call for State of the Union delay Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-24 14:15 -0700
Re: Trump denies Pelosi aircraft for foreign trip, after call for State of the Union delay "DoD" <danskisanjar@gmail.com> - 2019-01-24 16:10 -0600
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