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Re: Trump denies Pelosi aircraft for foreign trip, after call for State of the Union delay

From Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Newsgroups talk.politics.guns, alt.atheism, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic
Subject Re: Trump denies Pelosi aircraft for foreign trip, after call for State of the Union delay
Date 2019-01-24 16:05 +0000
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Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> On 1/23/19 3:45 PM, Patrick wrote:
>> On Wed, 23 Jan 2019 12:18:51 -0700, Snit
>> <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 1/23/19 11:39 AM, Patrick wrote:
>>>> nit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>>>> Patrick <PBARKER002@woh.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Here, claims to prove my point:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> * The Democrats back improved physical barriers
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> + So what?
>>>>> 
>>>>> So the claims to the contrary are lies.
>>>> 
>>>> Improved barriers are not what is required.
>>>> A wall is what was asked for.
>>>> NOT improved barriers.
>>> 
>>> Then why did Trump lie when he said he did not care what you call it?
>> 
>> Are you so stupid that you can't figure it out?
> 
> 
> 
>>>> Walls WORK.  Look at the great wall of China, the iron curtain, the
>>>> Belfast Peace wall, the wall between Israel and 'palestine," the wall
>>>> in Hungar, etc.  Walls WORK.
>>> 
>>> Notice, NO evidence the wall Trump is pushing for would offer ANY
>>> benefit over the walls we have and the Democrats have agreed to improve
>>> / extend.
>> 
>> LIAR.
>> Pelosi said: "NO WALL."
>> https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2019/01/04/pelosi-says-no-wall-while-trump-allies-put-daca-on-the-table-370394
>> 
>> 
>>> Not one bit of benefit shown.
>>> The wall will simply not do much.
>> 
>> Stops illegal aliens.  Stops drugs and human trafficing.
>> Are you stupid?
>> 
>> 
>>> It will not stop people from seeking asylum.
>> 
>> Of course not.
>> That is not the purpose of the wall.
>> Maybe you are just stupid.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> It will not stop people from overstaying visas (which is how the
>>> majority of people here illegally get here -- legally).
>> 
>> We don't have the time or money to go after the ones who overstay.
>> We are spending our money on trying to catch the illegal criminals who
>> are killing the people and stealing their things.
>> And then the liberal judges turn them back loose.
>> 
>> 
>>> It will not do much if anything to stop smuggling of people and drugs.
>> 
>> Yes, it will.
>> Are you stupid?
>> (That was rhetorical!)
>> 
>> 
>>> It will not stop people from entering by boat or plane or tunnel
>> 
>> Walls don't do that.
>> Are you stupid?
>> (That was rhetorical!)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> You gave no reason the opposition party should give him more for his ego
>>> than his own party did.
>> 
>> Because it is the adult thing to do.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> But good of you to note that there is STILL opposition to him from his
>>> own party. There should be more.
>> 
>> Loozers who are not acting like adults.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>> Your stupid counter was that birds couldn't fly over the fence.
>>>> You are stupid.  Did I mention this yet?
>>> 
>>> You have no counter but to lie about what I said.
>> 
>> Tell me you didn't mention 108 "Species" of birds.
>> Tell me.
>> Are you stupid?
>> (That was rhetorical!)
>> 
>> 
>>> You have not shown the wall will help with that in ANY way. No support
>>> for your claims.
>> 
>> Are you stupid?
>> (That was rhetorical!)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Crossing the border is not the way "the large majority of persons now
>>> become undocumented," the Center for Migration Studies (CMS) said in a
>>> recent report. Two-thirds of those who joined the undocumented
>>> population did so by entering with a valid visa and then overstaying
>>> their period of admission, the center repored.
>> 
>> We cannot chase the criminals illegally crossing the border AND those
>> who overstayed their VISA's.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Overstays have exceeded those entering illegally every year since 2007,
>>> and there have been half a million more overstays than illegal entries
>>> since 2007.
>> 
>> And there are 11 million illegals who crossed the boarder illegally.
>> 
>> 
>>>> Trump campaign position paper, 2015: Mexico must pay for the wall and,
>>>> until they do, the United States will, among other things: impound all
>>>> remittance payments derived from illegal wages; increase fees on all
>>>> temporary visas issued to Mexican CEOs and diplomats (and if necessary
>>>> cancel them); increase fees on all border crossing cards – of which we
>>>> issue about 1 million to Mexican nationals each year (a major source
>>>> of visa overstays); increase fees on all NAFTA worker visas from
>>>> Mexico (another major source of overstays); and increase fees at ports
>>>> of entry to the United States from Mexico [Tariffs and foreign aid
>>>> cuts are also options].
>>>> 
>>>> “We’re going to get reimbursed,” Mr. Trump said during a brief
>>>> telephone interview. “But I don’t want to wait that long. But you
>>>> start, and then you get reimbursed.”
>>>> 
>>>> President Trump noted last week that his campaign promise to build a
>>>> wall and have Mexico pay for it “obviously” did not mean getting a
>>>> check from the Mexican government directly.
>>> 
>>> Please quote where he said this during the campaign.
>> 
>> No.
>> I state it is true.
>> You look it up.
>> Wait....
>> I forgot you are stupid.....
>> I guess I have to lead you to water.
>> https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2015/08/16/donald-trump-releases-immigration-reform-plan-designed-to-get-americans-back-to-work/
>> 
>> 
>>>> The wall has value.
>>> 
>>> It has a cost... but no value has been shown.
>> 
>> <Yawn>
>> 
>> 
>>> I am noting issues related to illegal immigration. Interesting how you
>>> claim the facts should lead to hating Trump.
>> 
>> <Yawn>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>> You liberals just want one thing... to show that Trump cannot deliver
>>>> on all his promises.  Do you really think obammy did?
>>> 
>>> Cite?
>> 
>> Obama's broken promises.
>> 
>> Raise the minimum wage and index it to inflation.
>> Close the prison at Guantanamo Bay.
>> Create a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants.
>> Close special-interest corporate loopholes.
>> End the practice of writing legislation behind closed doors.
>> Restrict people moving between lobbying and working in the
>> administration.
>> Convene a bipartisan group of key lawmakers to foster better
>> executive-legislative relations on foreign policy.
>> Establish a low national carbon-fuel standard.
>> Make a sustained push to support Israel and achieve the goal of two
>> states — a Jewish state in Israel and a Palestinian state.
>> Double federal funding for basic research over 10 years (2009-2018).
>> Ensure freedom to unionize and fight for passage of the Employee Free
>> Choice Act.
>> Create 1 million new manufacturing jobs between 2012 and 2016.
>> Double U.S. exports over the next five years (2013-2017).
>> End the war in Afghanistan in 2014.
>> Lead the world in college graduates by 2020.
>> Train 2 million Americans in a community college-business partnership.
>> 
>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/obama-promises/
>> 
> 
> 
> You keep trying to bury / obfuscate the facts. Here they are again (with 
> some comments:
> 
> * The Democrats back improved physical barriers
> 
> You whined they do not back the term "wall", but Trump has said he does 
> not care what term is used, and agreed with the terms the Democrats use.
> 
> * Trump and his enablers cannot back that his additional
>   desires would offer much benefit
> 
> You made unsupported claims of benefits.
> 
> * Trump accepted blame for the shutdown
> 
> You claim he regrets that but offered no support.
> 
> * The Republicans mostly did not even back his request for funding
>   (hence why he did not get it in past years, and polls back this)
> 
> You noted how not all even back it now.
> 
> * Trump's wall would have bad ecological impacts he ignores
> 
> You had no counter but lied about me saying birds cannot fly over walls.
> 
> * Trump's wall would require using eminent domain to take land
>   from US citizens
> 
> You noted you did not care if the government takes land even if it 
> cannot show a need or value to it.
> 
> * Most illegal immigrants do not cross the border illegally
> 
> You denied this even though it is true, then minimized it when you 
> realized your denial was ignorant.
> 
> * The Democrats are offering to fund border security to the same
>   level Republicans did last year
> 
> Do not even recall your answer on this.
> 
> * The claim of an "emergency" is not based on anything that has
>   been emergent... and is thus a lie
> 
> You claimed that there was something that did, but named nothing relevant.
> 
> * We DO have real emergencies which have not been dealt with,
>   such as water in Flint and disaster relief in Puerto Rico
>   and California. Trump has withheld funds for these
> 
> You noted that the America First claim is a lie.
> 
> * We have an immigration system that can make people wait
>   decades to get visas, which leads to a black market
>   immigration system, much as a 20 year waiting period
>   would increase the black market for guns
> 
> You showed no understanding of this.
> 
> * The Democrats are offering Trump as much as his own party
>   did. The idea they refuse to negotiate is a lie.
> 
> You showed no understanding of this.
> 
> 
> You then made clams about liberals wanting only one thing... but offered 
> no support for your claim.
> 
> You really are not good at backing your claims.
> 
> 

Patrick lashed out when it was noted he had no response. He simply has no
real point but feels the need to argue. 

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Re: Trump denies Pelosi aircraft for foreign trip, after call for State of the Union delay Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-23 13:55 +0000
  Re: Trump denies Pelosi aircraft for foreign trip, after call for State of the Union delay Patrick <PBARKER002@woh.rr.com> - 2019-01-23 13:39 -0500
    Re: Trump denies Pelosi aircraft for foreign trip, after call for State of the Union delay Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-23 12:18 -0700
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      Re: Trump denies Pelosi aircraft for foreign trip, after call for State of the Union delay Patrick <PBARKER002@woh.rr.com> - 2019-01-23 17:45 -0500
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