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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Newsgroups | talk.politics.guns, misc.survivalism, alt.atheism, alt.politics.economics, alt.philosophy, alt.politics.usa.constitution |
| Subject | Re: Who pays for Illegals? |
| Date | 2019-01-20 15:49 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <gakc76F1siuU3@mid.individual.net> (permalink) |
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On 1/20/19 3:31 PM, jim wrote: > Peter Franks wrote on 1/9/2019 5:08 PM: > >>>> >>>> Who pays for the universal health care? >>> >>> We can split the savings. >>> >>>> Regardless of any savings, >>>> there will be a net cost. Who pays for those costs? >>> >>> Taxes. That is how the government works. >> >> Taxes aren't universally applied (they are progressive), > > Are they? or did you mean regressive? > Every low income wage earner has 15% of their income taken > in taxes. And that's the minimum. anybody making between > about $15,000 and $110,000 is paying more. When Mitt Romney > showed us what he paid in taxes before the 2012 election, his > return showed he had paid 14% on his income of millions. > How is that progressive? > > Most Americans pay sales tax on their retail purchases. > They mostly have to pay like 4%-8%. But consider all the sales > that don't have to pay sales tax. There is no sales tax on > the sale of stocks or bonds. Lets imagine there was a 1% > federal sales tax on all money transfers on Fedwire. > How much money would that raise? > The answer is it would not only balance the federal budget, > but it would pay off the federal debt in less than 5 years. > > The whole perception that taxes are skewed against the > wealthy is a myth. There is no doubt the laws are designed > to make it look like the wealthy pay higher percentages. but > who is writing those laws? This is a bit dated --- I would like to see newer numbers -- but responds directly to the 47% nonsense you refer to. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2012/09/19/heres-why-the-47-percent-argument-is-an-abuse-of-tax-data/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.832a0ec21ff7 ----- But here is really the only tax graph you need: It's total tax burden by income group. And as you'll see, every income group is paying something, and the rich aren't paying much more, as a percentage of their incomes, then the middle class. That's really what the American tax system looks like: Not 47 percent paying nothing, but everybody paying something, and most Americans paying between 25 percent and 30 percent of their income -- which is, by the way, a lot more the 13.9 percent Mitt Romney paid in 2011*. When politicians try to convince you that half of Americans aren't really paying taxes, it's usually because the real data undermines their preferred policies. For instance, you wouldn't look at these numbers and think tax cuts for the rich need to be a huge priority. And that's one reason people who want more tax cuts for the rich don't like to show you these numbers. ----- -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
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Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-09 15:08 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-09 18:28 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2019-01-09 17:40 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Clave <ChrisClavius@TheMonastery.com> - 2019-01-09 18:00 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-09 19:21 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-09 19:55 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-10 05:03 +0000
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-11 18:22 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-11 19:33 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-18 09:43 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-10 07:30 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2019-01-10 06:38 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-11 18:37 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-11 19:52 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2019-01-12 04:50 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-18 10:27 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-18 12:27 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-18 16:03 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-18 17:29 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Clave <ChrisClavius@TheMonastery.com> - 2019-01-18 17:07 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Clave <ChrisClavius@TheMonastery.com> - 2019-01-11 18:53 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-11 19:58 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Clave <ChrisClavius@TheMonastery.com> - 2019-01-11 19:15 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-11 20:19 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Clave <ChrisClavius@TheMonastery.com> - 2019-01-11 20:06 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-11 18:34 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-11 19:51 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2019-01-10 00:28 -0500
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-10 05:54 +0000
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-11 18:38 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-11 19:54 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-18 10:36 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-18 12:25 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-18 16:05 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-18 17:27 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2019-01-11 22:16 -0500
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-12 06:44 +0000
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-09 19:53 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-10 05:03 +0000
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-11 18:39 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-11 19:47 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-18 10:37 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-18 12:23 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-18 16:06 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-18 17:26 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-18 16:47 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-18 17:56 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Avenging Angel <Not.fucking.likely@NoWay.com> - 2019-01-12 17:53 +0000
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-12 18:41 +0000
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2019-01-12 10:49 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-20 16:31 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-20 15:49 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-20 17:37 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-20 17:03 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-20 18:37 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-20 21:12 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-20 22:17 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-21 06:36 +0000
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-21 02:04 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-21 09:10 +0000
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2019-01-22 04:20 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingN0Sp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-21 07:42 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-21 15:49 +0000
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-21 10:38 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-21 18:03 +0000
Re: Who pays for Illegals? % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-01-21 11:05 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-21 11:20 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-01-21 11:29 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-21 14:20 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-01-21 14:23 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-21 15:03 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-22 06:23 +0000
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-21 12:54 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-21 10:23 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-20 16:43 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-20 18:21 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-22 07:41 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-22 09:28 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-22 11:06 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-22 14:07 -0700
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