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Re: Kavanaugh casts deciding vote as Supreme Court rejects review of Medicaid funding for Baby Genocide Planned Parenthood

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Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
> On 1/18/2019 10:07 PM, Snit wrote:
>> On 1/18/19 10:49 PM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:
> 
> {snip}
> 
>>> Again, you have ignored the key distinction.  In the first case, an 
>>> action has to be taken by the other body to *avoid* death - and you 
>>> can't demand that to occur.  In the second case, an action has to be 
>>> taken by the other body to *produce* death - and you can demand that 
>>> not occur (*).
>>> 
>>> (*) Except in this case, you can't demand that action not occur 
>>> because the fetus isn't a person and its right to life is subordinate 
>>> to a person's right to liberty.
>> 
>> I see what you are saying, but it really is a matter of control in both 
>> cases... others are controlling what the dead body is being used for 
>> outside of the wishes of the person when they were alive, OR the woman's 
>> body is being controlled by others and not the woman.
>> 
>> In both cases the person is losing control of what they can do with 
>> their own body -- but in one case the body is dead and in the other it 
>> is alive.
>> 
>> To say it is about an action being done or not is really besides the 
>> point -- I cannot force you to shave (action) or to grow you hair out 
>> (inaction). I simply do not have the right to do either.
> 
> I don't think that is the correct analogy.  The correct analogy is I 
> cannot obligate you to shave even if shaving would save another person's 
> life.  However, I can punish you for cutting your hair if cutting your 
> hair kills another person.

When driving you are obligated to act to save lives. You cannot say I
merely choose to not hit the brakes. The defense that one cannot force such
a driver to act, even to save a life, would not fly. 

The question to me is not about action vs inaction but about forcing choice
on a dead body / woman. 

> 
> I understand, and fully agree with you that a living woman has greater 
> liberty rights than a dead body.  Nonetheless, the two cases are not 
> analogous because of the distinction between an obligation to take 
> action versus a prohibition against an action.
> 
> Moreover in the case of a baby in your custody, I can both obligate you 
> to take actions to keep the baby alive and prohibit you for taking 
> actions that kill the baby.  I can charge you with murder if you either 
> don't feed the baby or smother it with a pillow.
> 
Right: you are obligated to act AND not act. Your choices are limited. And
that is fine. 

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Re: Kavanaugh casts deciding vote as Supreme Court rejects review of Medicaid funding for Baby Genocide Planned Parenthood Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-09 15:53 -0800
  Re: Kavanaugh casts deciding vote as Supreme Court rejects review of Medicaid funding for Baby Genocide Planned Parenthood Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-09 18:12 -0800
    Re: Kavanaugh casts deciding vote as Supreme Court rejects review of Medicaid funding for Baby Genocide Planned Parenthood Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-18 10:59 -0800
      Re: Kavanaugh casts deciding vote as Supreme Court rejects review of Medicaid funding for Baby Genocide Planned Parenthood Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-18 13:21 -0800
        Re: Kavanaugh casts deciding vote as Supreme Court rejects review of Medicaid funding for Baby Genocide Planned Parenthood Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-18 16:15 -0800
          Re: Kavanaugh casts deciding vote as Supreme Court rejects review of Medicaid funding for Baby Genocide Planned Parenthood Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-18 17:23 -0700
            Re: Kavanaugh casts deciding vote as Supreme Court rejects review of Medicaid funding for Baby Genocide Planned Parenthood Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-18 17:13 -0800
              Re: Kavanaugh casts deciding vote as Supreme Court rejects review of Medicaid funding for Baby Genocide Planned Parenthood Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-18 18:29 -0700
                Re: Kavanaugh casts deciding vote as Supreme Court rejects review of Medicaid funding for Baby Genocide Planned Parenthood Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-18 17:34 -0800
                Re: Kavanaugh casts deciding vote as Supreme Court rejects review of Medicaid funding for Baby Genocide Planned Parenthood Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-19 03:41 +0000
                Re: Kavanaugh casts deciding vote as Supreme Court rejects review of Medicaid funding for Baby Genocide Planned Parenthood Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-18 20:11 -0800
                Re: Kavanaugh casts deciding vote as Supreme Court rejects review of Medicaid funding for Baby Genocide Planned Parenthood Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-19 04:20 +0000
                Re: Kavanaugh casts deciding vote as Supreme Court rejects review of Medicaid funding for Baby Genocide Planned Parenthood Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-19 05:19 +0000
                Re: Kavanaugh casts deciding vote as Supreme Court rejects review of Medicaid funding for Baby Genocide Planned Parenthood Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-18 21:49 -0800
                Re: Kavanaugh casts deciding vote as Supreme Court rejects review of Medicaid funding for Baby Genocide Planned Parenthood Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-18 23:07 -0700
                Re: Kavanaugh casts deciding vote as Supreme Court rejects review of Medicaid funding for Baby Genocide Planned Parenthood Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-19 08:35 -0800
                Re: Kavanaugh casts deciding vote as Supreme Court rejects review of Medicaid funding for Baby Genocide Planned Parenthood Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-19 17:22 +0000
                Re: Kavanaugh casts deciding vote as Supreme Court rejects review of Medicaid funding for Baby Genocide Planned Parenthood Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-19 09:53 -0800
                Re: Kavanaugh casts deciding vote as Supreme Court rejects review of Medicaid funding for Baby Genocide Planned Parenthood Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-19 11:03 -0700
                Re: Kavanaugh casts deciding vote as Supreme Court rejects review of Medicaid funding for Baby Genocide Planned Parenthood Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-19 10:11 -0800
                Re: Kavanaugh casts deciding vote as Supreme Court rejects review of Medicaid funding for Baby Genocide Planned Parenthood Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-19 11:45 -0700
                Re: Kavanaugh casts deciding vote as Supreme Court rejects review of Medicaid funding for Baby Genocide Planned Parenthood Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-19 16:17 -0800
                Re: Kavanaugh casts deciding vote as Supreme Court rejects review of Medicaid funding for Baby Genocide Planned Parenthood Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-19 18:54 -0700
                Re: Kavanaugh casts deciding vote as Supreme Court rejects review of Medicaid funding for Baby Genocide Planned Parenthood Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-19 19:09 -0800
                Re: Kavanaugh casts deciding vote as Supreme Court rejects review of Medicaid funding for Baby Genocide Planned Parenthood Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-19 20:27 -0700
                Re: Kavanaugh casts deciding vote as Supreme Court rejects review of Medicaid funding for Baby Genocide Planned Parenthood Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-19 19:34 -0800
                Re: Kavanaugh casts deciding vote as Supreme Court rejects review of Medicaid funding for Baby Genocide Planned Parenthood Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-19 20:57 -0700
                Re: Kavanaugh casts deciding vote as Supreme Court rejects review of Medicaid funding for Baby Genocide Planned Parenthood Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-19 20:52 -0800
                Re: Kavanaugh casts deciding vote as Supreme Court rejects review of Medicaid funding for Baby Genocide Planned Parenthood Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-19 23:59 -0700
                Re: Kavanaugh casts deciding vote as Supreme Court rejects review of Medicaid funding for Baby Genocide Planned Parenthood Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-20 08:41 -0800

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