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| From | Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> |
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| Newsgroups | comp.os.linux.misc |
| Subject | Re: What's the best linux distro? |
| Organization | Wossamotta U. |
| References | (8 earlier) <mmghvh-thd.ln1@Telcontar.valinor> <sg5bv9$m16$2@dont-email.me> <24qhvh-mml.ln1@Telcontar.valinor> <sg5egv$6n6$1@dont-email.me> <sg5n9e$kud$1@dont-email.me> |
| Message-ID | <gOKWI.3172$jm6.2144@fx07.iad> (permalink) |
| Date | 2021-08-29 08:09 -0400 |
Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> writes: > On 8/25/21 05:53, Dan Espen wrote: >> "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> writes: >> >>> On 25/08/2021 14.10, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>> On 25/08/2021 10:56, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>>> Systemd is evil. >>>> Well on that I do agree. >>>> Goes completely against the principles of simplicity, transparency, >>>> and not doing stuff that was working perfectly well already >>> >>> Well, the later is arguable. Many were not happy, and initd had no >>> maintenance or hopes of improvements, so they were looking for a >>> replacement. It could have been systemd or something else, but there >>> was nothing else suitable. So many distributions changed. >>> >>> To me, it works very well, I have no complains. >> Systemd is unarguably faster. >> The user interface is way simpler than initd. >> The design of systemd makes a whole bunch of things possible that were >> never possible with initd. (Like actually being able to access a >> description of each service or getting a list of all services.) >> IMO it's a bunch of know-nothings that continue with this systemd >> bashing. > > Well certainly I suffer from vast areas of ignorance but > GNU/Linux without systemd was/is faster and is/was more > reliable > than when I used systemd on Mageia 3.1. I started with Mandriva > 2006. Before that I used Amiga computers from Commodore. I'm sorry, but I've used Systemd on a much larger variety of distros, and a far wider variety of systems, desktops, servers, laptops, Raspberry Pi and Odroid SBCs, etc., and Systemd has been quite fast and has been more reliable, mostly because the config for services is simpler and not the hairball that SysV init and its scripts can easily become. The Amiga was really cool for the time, and in fact I was just watching a documentary on it earlier this morning. (Damn you Irving Gould and Mehdi Ali!) However, it was a pretty radical change from earlier systems. The Mac, Atari ST, and Amiga were all part of a new wave of computers that were big improvements in many ways over the older personal computers. There were many people who resisted "those new-fangled computers." I was one. I didn't at first see the advantage to them vs. the Apple ][ that I had been using at home. I later started using PCs with DOS and it wasn't until much later with OS/2 2.1 that I started to use a GUI on a daily basis. I'm not going to claim that Systemd was as brilliant an improvement as the Amiga was in 1985. However, for some people and some uses, it's pretty brilliant. :-) I find it to be a very useful tool. https://opensource.com/article/20/10/cgroups This article talks about something that I find to be pretty brilliant about Systemd. It's may not be meaningful for a desktop system that only sees light duty, but for home lab or development use, or for servers, it's very intriguing. > > Systemd may be handy for people who must maintain a lot of > machines as in an Enterprise situation but for me on my laptops > other solutions are available. It's fine that you prefer other solutions on your laptops, and fine that you use them. Use whatever you prefer. :-)
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Re: What's the best linux distro? F Russell <fr@random.info> - 2021-08-23 23:04 +0000
Re: What's the best linux distro? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-08-24 03:13 +0200
Re: What's the best linux distro? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-24 14:19 +0100
Re: What's the best linux distro? Jimmy Johnson <Jimmy@disposable.invalid> - 2021-08-25 20:47 -0700
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Re: What's the best linux distro? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-26 09:48 +0100
Re: What's the best linux distro? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-26 09:46 +0100
Re: What's the best linux distro? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2021-08-26 12:11 +0000
Re: What's the best linux distro? Jasen Betts <usenet@revmaps.no-ip.org> - 2021-08-26 13:21 +0000
Re: What's the best linux distro? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-26 16:53 +0100
Re: What's the best linux distro? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-26 16:51 +0100
Re: What's the best linux distro? F Russell <fr@random.info> - 2021-08-24 12:53 +0000
Re: What's the best linux distro? SixOverFive <hae274b.net> - 2021-08-25 00:41 -0400
Re: What's the best linux distro? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-25 10:18 +0100
Re: What's the best linux distro? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-08-25 11:56 +0200
Re: What's the best linux distro? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-25 12:10 +0100
Re: X-post and follow-Up (Was: What's the best linux distro?) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-08-26 11:33 +0200
Re: X-post and follow-Up Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2021-08-29 06:52 -0400
Re: X-post and follow-Up "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-08-29 14:02 +0200
Re: What's the best linux distro? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-25 13:10 +0100
Re: What's the best linux distro? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-08-25 14:36 +0200
Re: What's the best linux distro? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-08-25 08:53 -0400
Re: What's the best linux distro? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-08-25 15:13 +0200
Re: What's the best linux distro? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-25 14:31 +0100
Re: What's the best linux distro? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-08-25 12:14 -0400
Re: What's the best linux distro? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-08-25 20:13 +0200
Re: What's the best linux distro? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2021-08-26 20:57 +0000
Re: What's the best linux distro? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-08-27 01:38 +0200
Re: What's the best linux distro? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-27 02:04 +0100
Re: What's the best linux distro? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-08-27 09:29 +0200
Re: What's the best linux distro? Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2021-08-27 17:01 +0200
Re: What's the best linux distro? Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2021-08-29 07:26 -0400
Re: What's the best linux distro? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-08-29 14:27 +0200
Re: What's the best linux distro? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2021-08-26 20:53 +0000
Re: What's the best linux distro? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-27 02:01 +0100
Re: What's the best linux distro? Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2021-08-25 08:23 -0700
Re: What's the best linux distro? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-08-25 12:21 -0400
Re: What's the best linux distro? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-08-27 01:54 +0200
Re: What's the best linux distro? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2021-08-28 12:51 +0000
Re: What's the best linux distro? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-08-28 11:40 -0400
Re: What's the best linux distro? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2021-08-28 17:39 +0000
Re: What's the best linux distro? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-08-28 14:25 -0400
Re: What's the best linux distro? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-08-28 23:08 +0200
Re: What's the best linux distro? Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be> - 2021-08-29 00:10 +0200
Re: What's the best linux distro? Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2021-08-29 08:09 -0400
Re: What's the best linux distro? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-08-29 14:43 +0200
Re: What's the best linux distro? Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2021-08-29 07:11 -0400
Re: What's the best linux distro? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-08-29 14:29 +0200
Re: What's the best linux distro? Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be> - 2021-08-29 16:09 +0200
Re: What's the best linux distro? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-25 14:27 +0100
Re: What's the best linux distro? Robert Latest <boblatest@yahoo.com> - 2021-08-25 15:38 +0000
Re: What's the best linux distro? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-25 18:44 +0100
Re: What's the best linux distro? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-08-25 20:15 +0200
Re: What's the best linux distro? Robert Latest <boblatest@yahoo.com> - 2021-08-26 05:19 +0000
Re: What's the best linux distro? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-08-26 11:40 +0200
Re: What's the best linux distro? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-08-25 12:07 -0400
Re: What's the best linux distro? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-08-25 12:10 -0400
Re: What's the best linux distro? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2021-08-26 21:03 +0000
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Re: What's the best linux distro? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2021-08-28 13:12 +0000
Re: What's the best linux distro? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-08-28 11:39 -0400
Re: What's the best linux distro? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-29 11:05 +0100
Re: What's the best linux distro? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-08-29 07:06 -0400
Re: What's the best linux distro? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-29 12:50 +0100
Re: What's the best linux distro? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-08-29 08:07 -0400
Re: What's the best linux distro? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-29 13:23 +0100
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Re: What's the best linux distro? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-29 22:45 +0100
Re: What's the best linux distro? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-08-30 01:10 +0200
Re: What's the best linux distro? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-08-29 20:18 -0400
Re: What's the best linux distro? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-30 08:23 +0100
Re: What's the best linux distro? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-08-30 08:02 -0400
Re: What's the best linux distro? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-30 14:26 +0100
Re: What's the best linux distro? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-31 10:13 +0100
Re: What's the best linux distro? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-31 10:38 +0100
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Re: What's the best linux distro? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-08-29 15:43 +0200
Re: What's the best linux distro? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-08-29 11:41 -0400
Re: What's the best linux distro? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-26 09:09 +0100
Re: What's the best linux distro? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-26 09:49 +0100
Re: What's the best linux distro? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-08-26 11:31 +0200
Re: What's the best linux distro? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-25 16:47 +0100
Re: What's the best linux distro? jjb <invalid@invalid.nl> - 2021-08-25 18:17 +0200
Re: What's the best linux distro? Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2021-08-25 10:39 -0700
Re: What's the best linux distro? Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be> - 2021-08-25 22:14 +0200
Re: What's the best linux distro? Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2021-08-29 08:19 -0400
Re: What's the best linux distro? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-08-25 12:23 -0400
Re: What's the best linux distro? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-25 18:14 +0100
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Re: What's the best linux distro? Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2021-08-29 07:32 -0400
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