Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands

From	Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Newsgroups	talk.politics.guns, alt.atheism, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.checkmate
Subject	Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands
Date	2019-01-05 13:32 -0700
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On 1/5/19 1:21 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
> On 1/5/2019 12:52 PM, Snit wrote:
>> Just Wondering <JW@me.com> wrote:
>>> On 1/5/2019 11:45 AM, Snit wrote:
>>>> max headroom <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote:
>>>>> In news:g9c9rlF6ugvU1@mid.individual.net, Snit 
>>>>> <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> typed:
>>>>>
>>>>>> max headroom <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> In news:g9b2i1Ft3krU1@mid.individual.net, Snit 
>>>>>>> <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> typed:
>>>>>>>> max headroom <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In news:g9avtrFsig2U14@mid.individual.net, Snit 
>>>>>>>>> <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> typed:
>>>>>>>>>> max headroom <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> In news:g985omF9mdrU1@mid.individual.net, Snit
>>>>>>>>>>> <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> typed:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/3/19 9:24
>>>>>>>>>>> PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The topic is research, although WHAT research remaans 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> undefined. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Constitution does not make that research the federal 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> government's job.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The research has been defined: health and safety research -- 
>>>>>>>>>>>> as we do
>>>>>>>>>>>> with food and cars and consumer products and construction 
>>>>>>>>>>>> and much more.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Again, you play foolish to avoid the fact YOU think the 
>>>>>>>>>>>> research will
>>>>>>>>>>>> find things that go against your bias. THAT is the reason 
>>>>>>>>>>>> you do not
>>>>>>>>>>>> want the CDC to do the research it should.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And THERE IT IS.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> IT being truth. Sure.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> IT being bias, plainly.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Please explain what bias you see in the concept of have risk / 
>>>>>>>> benefit
>>>>>>>> analyses for products shown or believed to be tied to harm. Be 
>>>>>>>> specific.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> The bias is your demands we resume funding the one federal agency 
>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>> was busted for misusing
>>>>>>> federal funds to agitate for more gun control laws so it can 
>>>>>>> resume the
>>>>>>> actions which caused its
>>>>>>> previous disgrace.
>>>>>
>>>>>> What evidence do you think they will find that goes against your 
>>>>>> wishes?
>>>>>
>>>>> Why do you demand we resume funding the one federal agency which was
>>>>> busted for misusing federal
>>>>> funds to agitate for more gun control laws so it can resume the 
>>>>> actions
>>>>> which caused its previous
>>>>> disgrace?
>>>>
>>>> If we need better oversight I have no issue with that.
>>>> I want the government to do its job.
>>>
>>> Here's a link to the U.S. Constitution:
>>> http://constitutionus.com/
>>> What part of the Constitution makes the research you want
>>> the government's job?
>>
>> Not playing that game. 
> 
> So you think finding constitutional authority for what the federal 
> government does is just playing a game.  Well, it's a game people should 
> take more seriously.
> 
>> We already know the government does this 
> 
> If the government is already doing the research you want,
> why are you always making a big deal out of it?
> 
>> and it is not illegal. 
> 
> We don't know that.  Just because government does a thing, even
> if it has done it for years, does not make it constitutional.
> 
>> I mean, really, do you think the FDA and CDC and more are all illegal and
>> nobody but you noticed? What a stupid game.
> 
> That's some red herring you're dishing up.  The question I
> asked was not the legality of government agencies (although
> that's another interesting issue).  The question is,  What
> part of the Constitution makes the research you want the
> government's job?  The fact that you can't or won't see
> the difference makes you a functionally illiterate wizened
> little troll.

I think your game of pretending the CDC and FDA and the ATF and more are 
all illegal and only you noticed is silly. And it is SO far off topic as 
to not be worth going down that rabbit hole.

And, no, the government is not doing the research I am talking about -- 
or doing it far less than they do for other items (as has been 
repeatedly shown).

The fact you try to change topics and go in circles is quite telling to 
how you know you cannot support your rejection of doing risk / benefit 
analysis on guns as we do with pretty much everything else, and how you 
fear evidence-based laws and regulations in terms of guns.

Which is pretty much where we started... but now you have offered a lot 
more evidence to back what I first noted. :)

-- 
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They 
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel 
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

<https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>

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Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2019-01-04 09:03 -0800
  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2019-01-04 12:04 -0800
  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-05 06:07 +0000
    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2019-01-04 22:41 -0800
      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-05 06:52 +0000
        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-04 23:03 -0800
          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-05 07:08 +0000
            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-04 23:10 -0800
              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-05 07:16 +0000
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-04 23:43 -0800
              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2019-01-05 03:41 -0500
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-07 16:34 -0700
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-07 23:01 -0700
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-08 06:18 +0000
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-08 01:49 -0700
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-08 13:59 +0000
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-08 12:04 -0700
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-08 11:12 -0800
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-08 12:38 -0700
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-08 12:57 -0700
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-08 13:36 -0700
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Sir Gaygory's Owner's Owner 🐶笛 <root@127.0.0.1> - 2019-01-08 14:42 -0600
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-08 13:47 -0700
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Sir Gaygory's Owner's Owner 🐶笛 <root@127.0.0.1> - 2019-01-08 14:52 -0600
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-08 11:58 -0800
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-08 13:14 -0700
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-08 13:17 -0700
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-08 14:05 -0700
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-08 14:30 -0700
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-08 16:33 -0700
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-09 00:05 +0000
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-08 17:09 -0700
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-08 17:42 -0700
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2019-01-09 00:44 -0500
                Re: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands "Michael Ejercito" <mejercit@hotmail.com> - 2019-01-09 09:47 -0800
                Re: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2019-01-10 00:20 -0500
                Re: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands BeamMeUpScotty <Not-Sure@idiocracy.gov> - 2019-01-10 06:53 -0500
                Re: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2019-01-11 00:44 -0500
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2019-01-09 00:43 -0500
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-08 13:14 -0700
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-08 14:11 -0700
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-08 14:29 -0700
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-08 16:37 -0700
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-09 00:05 +0000
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2019-01-08 12:08 -0800
          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2019-01-05 03:39 -0500
            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-07 16:35 -0700
        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2019-01-05 02:26 -0500
        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-05 03:17 -0700
        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-05 03:19 -0700
          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2019-01-07 22:19 -0500
            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-08 06:18 +0000
              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-08 01:50 -0700
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-08 13:59 +0000
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-08 12:00 -0700
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-01-08 12:02 -0700
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-08 13:16 -0700
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-08 14:00 -0700
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-01-08 14:02 -0700
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-08 14:22 -0700
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-08 13:24 -0800
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-08 11:11 -0800
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2019-01-09 00:40 -0500
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-09 06:39 +0000
        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2019-01-05 07:08 -0800
          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-05 18:03 +0000
            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2019-01-05 10:33 -0800
              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-05 18:45 +0000
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-05 10:54 -0800
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-05 19:16 +0000
                No we don't was Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-05 12:40 -0700
                Re: No we don't was Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-05 19:56 +0000
                Re: No we don't was Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-05 12:09 -0800
                Re: No we don't was Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-05 13:27 -0700
                Re: No we don't was Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-05 14:02 -0700
                Re: No we don't was Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2019-01-05 13:50 -0800
                Re: No we don't was Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2019-01-07 22:21 -0500
                Re: No we don't was Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-08 06:18 +0000
                Re: No we don't was Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2019-01-08 04:24 -0800
                Re: No we don't was Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2019-01-09 00:54 -0500
                Re: No we don't was Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-09 06:39 +0000
                Re: No we don't was Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2019-01-09 05:46 -0800
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2019-01-05 11:06 -0800
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-05 19:16 +0000
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2019-01-05 11:35 -0800
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2019-01-07 22:25 -0500
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-08 06:18 +0000
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2019-01-08 04:22 -0800
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-05 19:52 +0000
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2019-01-05 13:18 -0800
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-05 22:15 +0000
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-05 14:16 -0800
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2019-01-05 13:41 -0800
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2019-01-07 22:23 -0500
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-08 06:18 +0000
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-05 12:10 -0700
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-05 19:52 +0000
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-05 13:21 -0700
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-05 13:32 -0700
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-05 13:49 -0700
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-05 14:04 -0700
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-05 13:37 -0800
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-05 12:55 -0800
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-05 15:41 -0700
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-05 14:47 -0800
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-05 12:24 -0800
          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-05 10:46 -0800
            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-05 19:16 +0000
            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2019-01-05 12:21 -0800
              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-05 13:57 -0700
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2019-01-05 18:36 -0800
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-05 19:49 -0700
              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-05 13:36 -0800
    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-05 03:15 -0700
      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2019-01-07 22:19 -0500
        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-08 06:18 +0000
          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-07 23:30 -0800
            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2019-01-08 03:23 -0500
              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-09 05:49 +0000

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