Re: if cargo blocks

From	rbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.c, comp.lang.c++
Subject	Re: if cargo blocks
Date	2018-12-30 11:09 -0700
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On 12/29/2018 10:12 PM, Ralf Goertz wrote:
> Am Sat, 29 Dec 2018 19:04:28 -0700
> schrieb rbowman <bowman@montana.com>:
>
>> Rather like the grammarian’s damnation of ending a sentence with a
>> preposition it resulted in some of the most convoluted messes I've
>> ever seen.
>
> Although I have been communicating in English for quite a while now, I
> heard about that damnation only rather recently. Does that mean you are
> not supposed to say "What are you looking for?" but should say "For what
> are you looking?" instead? The former /feels/ correct because I hear it
> very often, I guess more often than the latter. But then I also very
> often hear "What do you got?" in American TV shows which feels like a
> horrible abuse of language…
>

At least when I was a kid teachers drummed it into your head, along with 
not splitting infinitives and starting a sentence with a conjunction. 
Structuring the sentence 'correctly' usually results in a stilted, 
pedantic phrase seldom found outside of an old book.

'What do you got?' sounds ignorant to me, but I don't know what a 
grammarian would say. 'Do you have a pen?' and 'Have you got a pen?' 
both sound right to me but mixing 'do' and 'got' doesn't.

Languages change and the rules slowly follow. I'm sure my German, what I 
remember of it, would be unbearably quaint. In high school we were still 
chewing our way through Fraktur although the Antiqua-Fraktur war was over.

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if cargo blocks "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 10:42 -0500
  Re: if cargo blocks David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-12-29 17:26 +0100
    Re: if cargo blocks Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk> - 2018-12-29 16:32 +0000
  Re: if cargo blocks Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-12-29 16:56 +0000
    Re: if cargo blocks "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 12:34 -0500
      Re: if cargo blocks Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-12-29 23:49 +0000
        Re: if cargo blocks "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 18:52 -0500
          Re: if cargo blocks Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk> - 2018-12-30 00:12 +0000
          Re: if cargo blocks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2018-12-29 19:04 -0700
            Re: if cargo blocks Ralf Goertz <me@myprovider.invalid> - 2018-12-30 06:12 +0100
              Re: if cargo blocks David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-12-30 15:23 +0100
                Language (Was: if cargo blocks) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2018-12-30 15:39 +0000
                Re: Language (Was: if cargo blocks) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2018-12-30 11:23 -0700
                Re: if cargo blocks Ralf Goertz <me@myprovider.invalid> - 2018-12-31 05:21 +0100
                Re: if cargo blocks David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-12-31 18:09 +0100
                Re: if cargo blocks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2018-12-31 12:22 -0700
                Re: if cargo blocks Ralf Goertz <me@myprovider.invalid> - 2019-01-01 12:04 +0100
                Re: if cargo blocks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2018-12-31 11:50 -0700
                Re: if cargo blocks Ralf Goertz <me@myprovider.invalid> - 2019-01-01 11:43 +0100
                Re: if cargo blocks Ralf Goertz <me@myprovider.invalid> - 2019-01-01 14:27 +0100
                German grammar (Was: if cargo blocks) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2019-01-01 14:17 +0000
                Re: if cargo blocks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2019-01-01 11:04 -0700
                Re: if cargo blocks fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2019-01-01 10:38 -0800
                Re: if cargo blocks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2019-01-01 10:57 -0700
                DDR Ralf Goertz <me@myprovider.invalid> - 2019-01-01 21:18 +0100
                Re: DDR rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2019-01-01 16:18 -0700
                Re: if cargo blocks Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2019-01-01 16:30 -0800
              Re: if cargo blocks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2018-12-30 11:09 -0700
                Re: if cargo blocks Ralf Goertz <me@myprovider.invalid> - 2018-12-31 05:43 +0100
                Re: if cargo blocks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2018-12-31 12:06 -0700
              Linguistics. Re: if cargo blocks Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2019-01-01 16:27 -0800
                Re: Linguistics. Re: if cargo blocks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2019-01-01 22:30 -0700
                Re: Linguistics. Re: if cargo blocks Louis Krupp <lkrupp@nospam.pssw.com.invalid> - 2019-01-02 04:18 -0700
          Re: if cargo blocks Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-12-30 02:07 +0000
            Re: if cargo blocks "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 21:59 -0500
  Re: if cargo blocks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2018-12-29 13:57 -0700
    Re: if cargo blocks "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 16:03 -0500
      Re: if cargo blocks Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk> - 2018-12-29 21:32 +0000
      Re: if cargo blocks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2018-12-29 16:06 -0700
        Re: if cargo blocks "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 18:15 -0500
          Re: if cargo blocks fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 15:32 -0800
            Re: if cargo blocks fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 15:34 -0800
              Re: if cargo blocks fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 15:38 -0800
              Re: if cargo blocks "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 15:40 -0800
                Re: if cargo blocks fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 15:45 -0800
            Re: if cargo blocks "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 18:36 -0500
              Re: if cargo blocks fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 15:42 -0800
                Re: if cargo blocks "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 15:45 -0800
                Re: if cargo blocks fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 15:54 -0800
                Re: if cargo blocks "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 18:58 -0500
                Re: if cargo blocks fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 16:01 -0800
    Re: if cargo blocks "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-12-29 13:36 -0800
  Re: if cargo blocks "I Set My Girlfriend's Pantyhose on Fire" <cdalten@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 13:16 -0800
    Re: if cargo blocks "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 16:32 -0500
  Re: if cargo blocks Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2018-12-30 13:00 -0800
    Re: if cargo blocks "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-30 16:12 -0500
      Re: if cargo blocks Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2018-12-30 13:31 -0800
        Re: if cargo blocks "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-30 16:45 -0500
          Re: if cargo blocks Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-12-30 22:17 +0000
            Re: if cargo blocks "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-12-30 17:22 -0500
              Re: if cargo blocks "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-12-30 20:25 -0800
  Re: if cargo blocks Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2019-01-03 09:50 +1300
    Re: if cargo blocks "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2019-01-02 15:54 -0500
      Re: if cargo blocks "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2019-01-02 16:29 -0500
        Re: if cargo blocks mark.bluemel@gmail.com - 2019-01-03 00:44 -0800
          Re: if cargo blocks "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2019-01-03 08:17 -0500
            Re: if cargo blocks mark.bluemel@gmail.com - 2019-01-03 05:40 -0800
              Re: if cargo blocks "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2019-01-03 09:15 -0500
            You are so full of shit (Was: if cargo blocks) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2019-01-03 13:42 +0000
            Re: if cargo blocks fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2019-01-03 12:27 -0800
        Re: if cargo blocks Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2019-01-04 11:11 +1300
          Re: if cargo blocks "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2019-01-03 14:37 -0800
          Re: if cargo blocks "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2019-01-03 17:48 -0500
          Re: if cargo blocks fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2019-01-03 14:59 -0800
      Re: if cargo blocks mark.bluemel@gmail.com - 2019-01-03 00:44 -0800
        Re: if cargo blocks "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2019-01-03 08:19 -0500
          Re: if cargo blocks mark.bluemel@gmail.com - 2019-01-03 05:43 -0800
            Re: if cargo blocks "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2019-01-03 05:51 -0800
          Re: if cargo blocks "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2019-01-03 13:22 -0800
      Re: if cargo blocks Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2019-01-04 11:10 +1300

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