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Re: crApple products

From William Barnes <idonthvanemaildou@mail.com>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject Re: crApple products
Date 2018-09-07 19:39 -0400
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On Fri, 07 Sep 2018 23:28:58 GMT, SilverSlimer wrote:

> On Fri, 07 Sep 2018 17:53:48 -0400, William Barnes wrote:
> 
>> On Fri, 07 Sep 2018 20:40:34 GMT, SilverSlimer wrote:
>> 
>>> On Thu, 06 Sep 2018 21:25:14 -0400, William Barnes wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On Fri, 07 Sep 2018 00:17:07 GMT, SilverSlimer wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On Thu, 06 Sep 2018 23:57:48 +0000, RonB wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 2018-09-05, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>> SilverSlimer wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Soldered-on memory should have died with the 1980s. It's very sad
>>>>>>>>that the Communists at Apple still think that the inability to
>>>>>>>>upgrade or remove faulty memory in exchange for a thinner design is
>>>>>>>>a great deal.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's classic Apple "form over function" design.  They are facing a
>>>>>>> class-action lawsuit over the keyboards on the 2016-now model of
>>>>>>> Macbook Pro.  They slightest bit of dust can stop a key from
>>>>>>> working,
>>>>>>> and they are completely unserviceable - the entire keyboard, and a
>>>>>>> bunch of stuff attached to the bottom of it, must be replaced.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A $700 repair, because of Apple's poor design, and the replacement
>>>>>>> you get has the same design problem!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, they saved a half a millimeter, over a more-robust keyboard
>>>>>>> design, so it's all "worth it".  That's what professionals who
>>>>>>> spend thousands of dollars on a laptop "want", apparently.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Thunderbolt is a fantastic format that nobody other than Apple is
>>>>>>>>interested in supporting...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, it's a nice feature on a high-end laptop.  Of course, Apple
>>>>>>> again gets it wrong, by making their latest Macbook Pro
>>>>>>> Thunderbolt-only. *No* USB ports!  Now, that is just horseshit
>>>>>>> design.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I had no idea how pathetically designed these MacBook Pros were.
>>>>>> What does this pile of crap sell for?
>>>>> 
>>>>> A minimum of twice the price of a similarly-specced PC.
>>>> 
>>>> Run a Hackintosh if you lust after a Mac desktop.
>>>> https://www.tonymacx86.com/
>>> 
>>> MacOS, to me, is like a Mexican woman who looks alright with make-up
>>> but like the pig that she is without.
>>> 
>>> That's all the "improved productivity and error-reduction" operating
>>> system is.
>> 
>> Apple does one thing very good and that is graphics. If you look at a
>> program like Adobe on a Mac and then look at the same program on a
>> Windows box with a similar monitor, the Mac will almost always look
>> better.
> 
> Never has my productivity increase or my life improved from a better-
> looking piece of software. A lighter, less intrusive program yes; a 
> heavier, prettier one no.

If you were a graphic artist or someone who had to look at the screen for
8-10 hours a day you would notice the difference.


>> The scaling, dpi and fonts just look really, really, really
>> good.
> 
> Ugly fonts discouraged a few idiots from running Linux back in the old 
> days. I'm not sure why improving this was a priority but to say the 
> least, it's not something which increases the utility of an operating 
> system.


You are missing the point.
See above.
A poor display is not only irritating it is actually ergonomically
unhealthy as is a poor chair.

>> With Windows the user has to play around with dpi, desktop
>> settings and so forth and people with 4k monitors quickly realize text
>> is so small they can barely read it.
> 
> While I think that a 4k monitor is nice, I don't really see how it has 
> helped anyone to increase their productivity. Unless the monitor is 
> humongous, you're working on images and the pixels are large enough for 
> you to really see what changes you're making, it seems pointless. My 
> wife's laptop has a high-resolution screen of the sort but it's like 13". 
> All it does is make the text look smoother but the real estate is still 
> no more than you would get if you had a 1366x768 screen. Meanwhile, your 
> GPU needs to work extra hard to push all of those extra pixels and 
> battery life suffers. 

Why do you keep focusing on productivity?
That's like saying comfortable seats in a BMW won't get you from point a to
point b any faster.
True.
But they will certainly improve your experience and comfort while getting
from point a to point b.

Staring at a poor display is also unhealthy.

  
>> Other than that, Apple is a huge waste of money in my opinion.
>> And reliability and serviceability sucks big time. So does upgrade
>> ability.
> 
> Any computer which makes it impossible to upgrade is little more than a 
> paperweight to me.

Me too.
It's unnecessary.



>> That's why most people get Apple Care, which I will admit is excellent.
>> They really do take care of their customers. They should considering how
>> much all this stuff costs.
> 
> Knowing how many ethical rules Apple consistently breaks, especially when 
> it comes to slave labour, I'd stay away from them at all costs.

They all do it.
That Asus motherboard you have was probably manufactured in the same
Foxxconn factory that the Apple board was made in.
That doesn't make it right, but just saying.

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            Re: Kernel 4.19 Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-09-02 21:58 +0000
              Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-09-02 15:33 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-09-02 22:41 +0000
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2018-09-02 19:07 -0400
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-02 19:29 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-04 07:33 -0500
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-04 06:37 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 06:40 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 William Barnes <idonthvanemaildou@mail.com> - 2018-09-04 10:05 -0400
                Re: Kernel 4.19 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-04 09:14 -0500
                Re: Kernel 4.19 SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-04 15:58 +0000
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-04 11:48 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 William Barnes <idonthvanemaildou@mail.com> - 2018-09-04 18:59 -0400
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 16:21 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 23:49 +0000
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 17:08 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-04 17:24 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 17:54 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 William Barnes <idonthvanemaildou@mail.com> - 2018-09-04 22:26 -0400
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-04 21:39 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 22:03 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-05 07:03 -0500
                Re: Kernel 4.19 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-05 07:09 -0500
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-05 07:36 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 07:55 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-05 16:47 +0000
                crApple products chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-05 12:15 -0500
                Re: crApple products SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-06 01:03 +0000
                Re: crApple products Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 18:20 -0700
                Re: crApple products Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-06 07:17 -0700
                Re: crApple products chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-06 09:47 -0500
                Re: crApple products Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 08:06 -0700
                Re: crApple products Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-06 14:36 -0700
                Re: crApple products Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 14:51 -0700
                Re: crApple products Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-05 21:30 -0700
                Re: crApple products DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-09-06 12:44 -0400
                Re: crApple products Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 11:28 -0700
                Re: crApple products Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 14:35 -0700
                Re: crApple products RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 23:57 +0000
                Re: crApple products SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-07 00:17 +0000
                Re: crApple products William Barnes <idonthvanemaildou@mail.com> - 2018-09-06 21:25 -0400
                Re: crApple products RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-09-07 03:51 +0000
                Re: crApple products Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-06 22:00 -0700
                Re: crApple products SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-07 20:44 +0000
                Re: crApple products RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-09-07 23:15 +0000
                Re: crApple products SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-07 23:34 +0000
                Re: crApple products William Barnes <idonthvanemaildou@mail.com> - 2018-09-07 19:42 -0400
                Re: crApple products Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-08 09:11 -0700
                Re: crApple products Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-07 18:43 -0700
                Re: crApple products SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-07 20:40 +0000
                Re: crApple products William Barnes <idonthvanemaildou@mail.com> - 2018-09-07 17:53 -0400
                Re: crApple products RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-09-07 23:12 +0000
                Re: crApple products William Barnes <idonthvanemaildou@mail.com> - 2018-09-07 19:20 -0400
                Re: crApple products Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-08 09:22 -0700
                Re: crApple products RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-09-08 21:21 +0000
                Re: crApple products SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-08 21:39 +0000
                Re: crApple products Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-08 14:56 -0700
                Re: crApple products Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-08 23:55 -0700
                Re: crApple products Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-09-09 09:12 -0700
                Re: crApple products Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-09 09:32 -0700
                Re: crApple products "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-09-09 21:37 +0000
                Re: crApple products Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-09-09 14:47 -0700
                Re: crApple products "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-09-09 22:12 +0000
                Re: crApple products Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-09-09 15:29 -0700
                Re: crApple products Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-09 15:47 -0700
                Re: crApple products "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-09-09 22:48 +0000
                Re: crApple products Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-09-09 15:57 -0700
                Re: crApple products "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-09-09 23:26 +0000
                Re: crApple products Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-09 16:00 -0700
                Re: crApple products Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-09 16:50 -0700
                Re: crApple products Lenny Dignman <dingmansferryboat3@dingman.org> - 2018-09-09 19:43 -0400
                Re: crApple products Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-09 17:05 -0700
                "Gain" is the _ input volume. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-09-09 18:57 -0700
                Re: "Gain" is the _ input volume. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-09 19:26 -0700
                Re: crApple products Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-08 14:53 -0700
                Re: crApple products Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-08 15:04 -0700
                Re: crApple products Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-08 15:19 -0700
                Re: crApple products SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-07 23:28 +0000
                Re: crApple products William Barnes <idonthvanemaildou@mail.com> - 2018-09-07 19:39 -0400
                Re: crApple products SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-08 14:06 +0000
                Re: crApple products Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-08 09:39 -0700
                Re: crApple products Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-08 09:29 -0700
                Re: crApple products Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-08 09:10 -0700
                Re: crApple products Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-07 18:42 -0700
                Re: crApple products Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-06 21:52 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 10:15 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-05 21:29 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 21:47 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-05 16:44 +0000
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 09:59 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 William Barnes <idonthvanemaildou@mail.com> - 2018-09-05 13:34 -0400
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-05 21:31 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 William Barnes <idonthvanemaildou@mail.com> - 2018-09-06 08:13 -0400
                Re: Kernel 4.19 SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-06 12:42 +0000
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 06:00 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 William Barnes <idonthvanemaildou@mail.com> - 2018-09-06 09:06 -0400
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 06:33 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-06 07:30 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 William Poaster <noemail@lutenorg.com> - 2018-09-06 23:23 +0000
                Re: Kernel 4.19 SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-06 23:48 +0000
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-06 21:51 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-06 21:50 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-06 07:26 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 07:51 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2018-09-06 22:39 +0200
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                Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 14:05 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 William Barnes <idonthvanemaildou@mail.com> - 2018-09-06 18:26 -0400
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 15:53 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-06 23:26 +0000
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-06 21:50 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 William Poaster <noemail@lutenorg.com> - 2018-09-06 23:29 +0000
                Re: Kernel 4.19 William Barnes <idonthvanemaildou@mail.com> - 2018-09-06 19:39 -0400
                Re: Kernel 4.19 William Poaster <noemail@lutenorg.com> - 2018-09-06 23:47 +0000
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Lenny Dignman <dingmansferryboat3@dingman.org> - 2018-09-06 19:50 -0400
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-06 21:52 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 17:26 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-06 23:48 +0000
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Lenny Dignman <dingmansferryboat3@dingman.org> - 2018-09-06 19:53 -0400
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 17:10 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-06 21:51 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-06 21:51 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-06 07:22 -0700
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                Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-04 11:25 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 11:54 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 23:46 +0000
                Re: Kernel 4.19 DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-09-07 10:58 -0400
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                Re: Kernel 4.19 SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-07 20:50 +0000
                Re: Kernel 4.19 RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-09-07 23:16 +0000
                Re: Kernel 4.19 SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-07 23:35 +0000
                Re: Kernel 4.19 William Barnes <idonthvanemaildou@mail.com> - 2018-09-07 19:44 -0400
                Re: Kernel 4.19 SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-08 14:07 +0000
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-09-08 14:14 +0000
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-08 10:06 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-08 09:39 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-10 07:25 -0500
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-10 05:53 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-10 06:37 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-10 15:45 +0000
                Re: Kernel 4.19 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-10 11:05 -0500
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-10 12:46 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-09-10 23:25 +0000
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-10 12:23 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-08 09:32 -0700
                Re: Kernel 4.19 "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-09-02 22:48 +0000
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-09-02 22:57 +0000
                Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-09-02 16:27 -0700
            Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-02 15:20 -0700
          Re: Kernel 4.19 Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2018-09-02 19:06 -0400
            Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-02 17:56 -0700
        Re: Kernel 4.19 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-09-02 14:17 -0700
      Re: Kernel 4.19 Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2018-09-02 19:05 -0400
      Frankly, I don't notice [any] difference [in the Kernel] Simon bar Sinister <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 07:21 -0700

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