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Re: Arrogance is the bane of every ( brain dead ) feminist.

From Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject Re: Arrogance is the bane of every ( brain dead ) feminist.
Date 2018-06-07 23:58 -0700
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On 6/7/18 9:56 PM, Steve Carroll wrote:
> On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 10:16:24 PM UTC-6, Snit wrote:
> 
> (snip BS)
> 
>>>>>> I was talking tech: one can generally (though not always) tell if a site
>>>>>> is a WordPress or similar type site from the template "look".
>>>>>
>>>>> So point to these telltale signs already.
>>>>
>>>> Take a look at these:
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.creativebloq.com/web-design/examples-wordpress-11121165>
>>>>
>>>> Most of those look like WordPress type template sites.
>>>
>>> Based on 'looking' at what?
>>
>> Those sites. They scream template... most likely WordPress.
> 
> Do you even know what a "template" is and why it's *not* a catch-all term
> that can bail you out here? Wordpress is *not* the CSS which makes a
> given WP site look the way it does. And it's only "most likely WordPress"
> because of how many sites are built using it now.
> 
>>> Again, there's a reason you can't say. The reason you, in your mind,
>>> so often believe you correctly 'guess' that a site is a WP site is based
>>> on the fact that almost 1 in 3 sites are nowadays.
>>
>> That has zero to do with their look.
> 
> AGAIN: WordPress has zero to do with their look.
>   
>>> So while you're busy
>>> 'guessing' you can't actually explain the things behind your 'guess',
>>> because there aren't any. The odds are in WP's favor and you fail to
>>> understand that. If you could say, you would... but you can't, so you
>>> don't. You'll write 50 more posts and you won't be able to point to a
>>> single thing. The fact is, CSS is what makes a site 'look' like it does,
>>> WP has nothing to do with it. Need proof? Remove the style sheet(s).
>>
>> The fact you cannot see it is quite telling.
> 
> So fire one up and remove the styling... tell me you can spot that it's a
> WP site. Hint: this logic proves what I'm saying is true.
> 
>> The menu structure and a  big image on top.
> 
> What about the "menu structure"? Be specific. And a "big image on
> top"? Only templates sites have those, they're not 'in fashion' in the last
> few years?
> 
>> VERY common on WordPress and other such templates.
>> They are "generic".
> 
> They are *also* on virtually every kind of 'modern' site there is.
> 
>> Here, instead of going into detail, this site does so fairly well:
>>
>> <https://www.primedesignsolutions.com/?p=1274>
> 
> Same things... there is nothing there that isn't on virtually any
> kind of modern site... on *every* kind of modern site.
> 
>> Key point I was talking about:
>> -----
>> Your site may look like everyone else’s. Skilled designers can minimize
>> this problem with creative use of graphics and customization within the
>> template, but the most popular themes have been downloaded thousands of
>> times.
>> -----
> 
> That's marketing crap... you'd *still* be guessing what it was and
> you'd have a 1 in 3 shot that it's WP. Remove the styling, 'mystery'
> solved!
> 
>> And I will add that many templates look much alike.
> 
> Many sites, templates or not, have a hero image and similar menus.
> There are only so many things you can do and still have the thing
> work well from a UI perspective.
> 
>> There are certainly some nits to pick there... but it is a decent start
>> for you.
> 
> I suggest you get AMPPS and educate yourself. There are essentially
> single click installers in AMMPS and you can have a local site up in
> no time... no fussing with a stack (that the MacOS will keep crapping
> on with every update unless you do certain things), just a simple install
> and off you go. It's not just WP, either, you can install all kinds of stuff,
> Moodle, real estate software, whatever, it's literally a dev playground:
> 
> <https://streamable.com/t68x7>
> 
It is not like I am pushing some secret knowledge here. I mean, 
really... WordPress is a fine tool -- I have nothing against it, but 
open your eyes to the world OUTSIDE of WordPress.

<https://www.csdesignworks.com/blog/2016/08/template-vs-custom-website>
-----
While template sites are easy and economical, they lack distinctiveness 
and customization. Perhaps the biggest set back is that template 
websites tend to all look the same. Yes, it is true that often you can 
customize the template to your liking and it is possible to create a 
relatively unique look but no matter how much you tweak it, the layout 
is still a template and will still have similarities to all the other 
users the same one. It happens too often that companies will choose a 
layout template and think the work is done; they fail to modify the 
design at all and this results in a carbon copy website. When 
competition is so high, the worst thing you can do is blend into the 
crowd. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve visited new websites and 
thought that I had been there before, simply because too many websites 
rely on the same template. Just because the layout looks nice, doesn’t 
mean it’s done and is the right design for your company.

Another setback to using template websites is that you’re limited in 
your graphic design and navigation capability. While there is some 
degree of customization in templates, there will always be parameters 
that will hold you back.
-----

<https://mayecreate.com/blog/custom-web-design-vs-website-template/>
-----
Unique Design
With a custom website, you are allowed and encouraged to show your 
company culture and personality through design. A unique design can be 
presented, revised and built into a custom template for your website. 
Yes, I said template because even custom sites have a template; it is 
just built from scratch rather than from a box. Think about your 
grandma’s chocolate cake, it just wouldn’t be the same if it were out of 
a box.
-----

<https://www.inverseparadox.com/?p=3187>
-----
• Lots of other businesses/competitors could be using the same template 
which means your site won’t stand out as much.

• You are limited on how much you can customize the site; what you see 
is what you get.
-----

And, heck, as much as you attack Dreamweaver, did you even know you can 
use Dreamweaver to make themes for WordPress? Likely not. It is not as 
though you have to use one OR the other (or either)... there are MANY 
ways to make a website and many tools and combinations of tools you can use.

Template based CMS tools can be very powerful and speed up creation of a 
site, but they also generally leave you with a site that looks like a 
template. As I showed, even many highly rated WordPress sites *look* 
like a template... they have that generic look. Does not mean ALL do, of 
course, nor that NO non-CMS template based site has that look, but as a 
general rule if you point me (or most experienced web users) to a site 
they will have a pretty good chance to figure out, WITHOUT looking at 
the code, if a site is based on a template.

The site of mine you keep pointing to has many weaknesses, but one thing 
many of my customers repeatedly tell me is they love how it has a custom 
feel. When they go to other sites of web developers -- people with FAR 
more skill and knowledge than I have -- the sites seem generic. If I 
wanted to pursue web development that is the are *I* would go in... 
CUSTOM built web sites. To do that, though, one has to have a LOT of 
different web-based skills (not just HTML and CSS and even decent 
JavaScipt knowledge but a lot more) and I opted long ago to not go that 
direction... just not my cup of tea.

Heck, here you are saying you CANNOT tell when a site is template based 
BUT you also spent forever lying about my site being template based as 
one of your trolling attacks.

My site is custom... NOT based on a template (which does not mean I did 
not use the internal Template feature of Dreamweaver, but it is a 
template *I* made, not some pre-made thing in a CMS). You looked at my 
code as you copied my site and saw the reference to a Template in the 
Dreamweaver code:

<!-- InstanceBegin template="/Templates/CompGuy.dwt" 
codeOutsideHTMLIsLocked="false" -->

 From there YOU got the mistaken idea that Adobe created some template I 
used. You lied... out of malice and ignorance.


-- 
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They 
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel 
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

<https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>

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We assert useful premises, disregarding the truth. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-06-06 12:25 -0700
  Re: We assert useful premises, disregarding the truth. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-06 16:35 -0400
    Re: We assert useful premises, disregarding the truth. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-06 17:52 -0700
      Re: We assert useful premises, disregarding the truth. Steven Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-06 18:14 -0700
        Re: We assert useful premises, disregarding the truth. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-06 19:39 -0700
      No truth, Nothing to aspire to ? Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-06-06 18:21 -0700
        Re: No truth, Nothing to aspire to ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-06 18:37 -0700
          Re: No truth, Nothing to aspire to ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-06 18:51 -0700
            Re: No truth, Nothing to aspire to ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-06 19:09 -0700
              Re: No truth, Nothing to aspire to ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-06 19:19 -0700
                Re: No truth, Nothing to aspire to ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-06 19:24 -0700
                Re: No truth, Nothing to aspire to ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-06 19:30 -0700
                Re: No truth, Nothing to aspire to ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-06 19:45 -0700
                Re: No truth, Nothing to aspire to ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-06 20:02 -0700
                Re: No truth, Nothing to aspire to ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-06 20:14 -0700
                Re: No truth, Nothing to aspire to ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-06 20:31 -0700
                Arrogance is the bane of every ( brain dead ) feminist. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-06-06 20:46 -0700
                Re: Arrogance is the bane of every ( brain dead ) feminist. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-06 20:49 -0700
                Re: Arrogance is the bane of every ( brain dead ) feminist. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-06 22:11 -0600
                Re: Arrogance is the bane of every ( brain dead ) feminist. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-06 21:22 -0700
                Re: Arrogance is the bane of every ( brain dead ) feminist. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-07 11:32 -0700
                Fabulous Fabian might be behind it ( the bot ). Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-06-07 12:45 -0700
                Re: Fabulous Fabian might be behind it ( the bot ). Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-07 14:30 -0700
                My kids give zero fucks. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-06-07 15:38 -0700
                Re: Fabulous Fabian might be behind it ( the bot ). Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-07 16:51 -0700
                Re: Fabulous Fabian might be behind it ( the bot ). Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-07 17:21 -0700
                Re: Fabulous Fabian might be behind it ( the bot ). Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-07 17:36 -0700
                Re: Fabulous Fabian might be behind it ( the bot ). Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-07 18:07 -0700
                Re: Fabulous Fabian might be behind it ( the bot ). Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-07 18:20 -0700
                Re: Re: Fabulous Fabian might be behind it ( the bot ). Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2018-06-08 16:53 +0000
                Re: Re: Fabulous Fabian might be behind it ( the bot ). Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2018-06-08 16:49 +0000
                Re: Fabulous Fabian might be behind it ( the bot ). Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-07 16:40 -0700
                Re: Re: Fabulous Fabian might be behind it ( the bot ). Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2018-06-08 16:54 +0000
                Re: Arrogance is the bane of every ( brain dead ) feminist. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-07 16:24 -0700
                Re: Arrogance is the bane of every ( brain dead ) feminist. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-07 17:07 -0700
                Re: Arrogance is the bane of every ( brain dead ) feminist. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-07 17:24 -0700
                Re: Arrogance is the bane of every ( brain dead ) feminist. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-07 17:44 -0700
                Re: Arrogance is the bane of every ( brain dead ) feminist. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-07 17:55 -0700
                Re: Arrogance is the bane of every ( brain dead ) feminist. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-07 18:19 -0700
                Re: Arrogance is the bane of every ( brain dead ) feminist. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-07 18:23 -0700
                Re: Arrogance is the bane of every ( brain dead ) feminist. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-07 18:52 -0700
                Re: Arrogance is the bane of every ( brain dead ) feminist. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-07 19:48 -0700
                Re: Arrogance is the bane of every ( brain dead ) feminist. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-07 20:25 -0700
                Re: Arrogance is the bane of every ( brain dead ) feminist. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-07 20:32 -0700
                Re: Arrogance is the bane of every ( brain dead ) feminist. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-07 20:52 -0700
                Re: Arrogance is the bane of every ( brain dead ) feminist. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-07 21:16 -0700
                Re: Arrogance is the bane of every ( brain dead ) feminist. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-07 21:56 -0700
                I don't need WordPress. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-06-07 22:33 -0700
                Re: I don't need WordPress. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 06:41 +0000
                Re: I don't need WordPress. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-08 09:18 -0700
                Social Security Disability (SSDI). Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-06-08 09:33 -0700
                Re: Social Security Disability (SSDI). Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-08 09:39 -0700
                Re: Social Security Disability (SSDI). Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 12:11 -0700
                Re: Social Security Disability (SSDI). Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-08 13:17 -0700
                Re: Social Security Disability (SSDI). Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 13:42 -0700
                Re: Social Security Disability (SSDI). Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-08 13:49 -0700
                Re: Social Security Disability (SSDI). Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 13:55 -0700
                Shouting "Walk!" to a paraplegic, every day, for decades. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-06-08 14:10 -0700
                Re: Shouting "Walk!" to a paraplegic, every day, for decades. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-08 14:15 -0700
                Re: Shouting "Walk!" to a paraplegic, every day, for decades. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 15:51 -0700
                Re: Shouting "Walk!" to a paraplegic, every day, for decades. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-08 17:37 -0700
                Re: Shouting "Walk!" to a paraplegic, every day, for decades. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 17:45 -0700
                Re: Shouting "Walk!" to a paraplegic, every day, for decades. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-08 18:00 -0700
                Re: Shouting "Walk!" to a paraplegic, every day, for decades. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 19:55 -0700
                Re: Shouting "Walk!" to a paraplegic, every day, for decades. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-09 09:22 -0700
                Re: Social Security Disability (SSDI). Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 12:06 -0700
                Re: Social Security Disability (SSDI). Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-09 01:11 -0700
                Re: I don't need WordPress. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 12:02 -0700
                Re: Arrogance is the bane of every ( brain dead ) feminist. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-07 23:58 -0700
                Re: Arrogance is the bane of every ( brain dead ) feminist. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-08 09:08 -0700
                Re: Arrogance is the bane of every ( brain dead ) feminist. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 12:01 -0700
                Re: Arrogance is the bane of every ( brain dead ) feminist. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-08 12:58 -0700
                Re: Arrogance is the bane of every ( brain dead ) feminist. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 13:32 -0700
                Re: Arrogance is the bane of every ( brain dead ) feminist. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-08 13:47 -0700
                Re: Arrogance is the bane of every ( brain dead ) feminist. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 13:53 -0700
                Re: Arrogance is the bane of every ( brain dead ) feminist. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-08 14:03 -0700
                Re: Re: Arrogance is the bane of every ( brain dead ) feminist. Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2018-06-08 16:50 +0000
                Are you looking in the mirror again ? ! Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-06-07 18:29 -0700
                Re: Are you looking in the mirror again ? ! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-07 18:36 -0700
                Re: Are you looking in the mirror again ? ! Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-07 18:56 -0700
                Re: Are you looking in the mirror again ? ! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-07 19:49 -0700
                Re: Are you looking in the mirror again ? ! Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-07 20:30 -0700
                Re: Are you looking in the mirror again ? ! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-07 20:43 -0700
                Re: Are you looking in the mirror again ? ! Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-07 20:55 -0700
                Re: Are you looking in the mirror again ? ! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-07 21:19 -0700
                Re: Are you looking in the mirror again ? ! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-07 21:37 -0700
                Re: Are you looking in the mirror again ? ! Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-07 21:58 -0700
                "SeniorPeopleMeet.COM" wouldn't be the worst choice. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-06-07 23:17 -0700
                Re: "SeniorPeopleMeet.COM" wouldn't be the worst choice. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 06:41 +0000
                If Michael Glasser were human, and not a lizard. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-06-07 23:48 -0700
                Re: If Michael Glasser were human, and not a lizard. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 00:00 -0700
                I wish Michael Glasser were just evil, and not hopelessly insane. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-06-08 00:24 -0700
                Re: I wish Michael Glasser were just evil, and not hopelessly insane. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 00:26 -0700
                Re: I wish Michael Glasser were just evil, and not hopelessly insane. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-08 01:00 -0700
                Re: "SeniorPeopleMeet.COM" wouldn't be the worst choice. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 00:07 -0700
                Re: "SeniorPeopleMeet.COM" wouldn't be the worst choice. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 00:13 -0700
                Re: "SeniorPeopleMeet.COM" wouldn't be the worst choice. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-08 09:36 -0700
                Snit writes his own FanFic ?  Proof ?  Cite ? Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-06-08 09:53 -0700
                Re: Snit writes his own FanFic ?  Proof ?  Cite ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-08 09:58 -0700
                Re: Snit writes his own FanFic ? Proof ? Cite ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 12:30 -0700
                Re: Snit writes his own FanFic ? Proof ? Cite ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-08 13:07 -0700
                Re: Snit writes his own FanFic ? Proof ? Cite ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 13:34 -0700
                Re: Snit writes his own FanFic ? Proof ? Cite ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 12:13 -0700
                Re: Snit writes his own FanFic ? Proof ? Cite ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-08 13:05 -0700
                Re: Snit writes his own FanFic ? Proof ? Cite ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 13:32 -0700
                Thank God for SSDI. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-06-08 13:44 -0700
                Re: Thank God for SSDI. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-08 13:47 -0700
                Re: Thank God for SSDI. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 13:54 -0700
                Re: Thank God for SSDI. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 13:51 -0700
                Thank God for SSDI. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-06-08 14:00 -0700
                Re: Thank God for SSDI. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-08 14:12 -0700
                Kids aren't my bag. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-06-08 14:32 -0700
                Re: Thank God for SSDI. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 15:52 -0700
                Re: Thank God for SSDI. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 14:32 -0700
                Re: "SeniorPeopleMeet.COM" wouldn't be the worst choice. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 12:11 -0700
                Re: Are you looking in the mirror again ? ! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 06:41 +0000
                Re: Are you looking in the mirror again ? ! Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-07 23:59 -0700
                Re: Are you looking in the mirror again ? ! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 00:03 -0700
                Re: Re: Are you looking in the mirror again ? ! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2018-06-08 16:47 +0000
                Re: Re: Are you looking in the mirror again ? ! Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-08 09:51 -0700
                Re: Re: Re: Are you looking in the mirror again ? ! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2018-06-08 17:06 +0000
                Re: Are you looking in the mirror again ? ! Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-08 09:48 -0700
                Re: Are you looking in the mirror again ? ! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 12:13 -0700
                Re: Are you looking in the mirror again ? ! Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-08 13:21 -0700
                Re: Are you looking in the mirror again ? ! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 13:48 -0700
                Re: Are you looking in the mirror again ? ! Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-08 13:51 -0700
                Re: Are you looking in the mirror again ? ! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 14:32 -0700
                Re: Are you looking in the mirror again ? ! Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-08 14:48 -0700
                Re: Are you looking in the mirror again ? ! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 15:53 -0700
                Re: Are you looking in the mirror again ? ! Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-08 16:54 -0700
                Re: Are you looking in the mirror again ? ! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 16:59 -0700
                Re: Are you looking in the mirror again ? ! Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-08 17:05 -0700
                Re: Are you looking in the mirror again ? ! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 17:27 -0700
                Re: Are you looking in the mirror again ? ! Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-08 17:39 -0700
                Re: Are you looking in the mirror again ? ! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 17:47 -0700
                Re: Are you looking in the mirror again ? ! Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-08 18:04 -0700
                Re: Are you looking in the mirror again ? ! vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-06-09 04:12 +0000
                Re: Are you looking in the mirror again ? ! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 21:31 -0700
                Re: Are you looking in the mirror again ? ! Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-09 13:40 -0700
                Re: Re: Arrogance is the bane of every ( brain dead ) feminist. Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2018-06-08 16:55 +0000
                Re: Arrogance is the bane of every ( brain dead ) feminist. Steven Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-06 21:23 -0700
                Re: Arrogance is the bane of every ( brain dead ) feminist. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-06 21:24 -0700
                Don't teach JavaScript without a proper goal in mind. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-06-06 20:00 -0700
                Re: Don't teach JavaScript without a proper goal in mind. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-06 20:03 -0700
                Re: No truth, Nothing to aspire to ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-06 19:31 -0700
            Re: No truth, Nothing to aspire to ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-06 19:32 -0700
        Re: No truth, Nothing to aspire to ? benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-06 22:47 -0400
          NO TRUTH. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-06-06 20:28 -0700
            Re: NO TRUTH. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-07 05:32 -0400
              Harp playing, androgynous angels in the clouds ? Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-06-07 11:18 -0700
                Re: Harp playing, androgynous angels in the clouds ? benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-07 16:42 -0400
                Ben Jacoby takes _pride_ in his randomness, I don't. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-06-07 14:15 -0700
                Re: Ben Jacoby takes _pride_ in his randomness, I don't. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-08 02:20 -0400
                Worshiping Ignorance. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-06-07 23:36 -0700
                Re: Worshiping Ignorance. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-08 11:42 -0400
                " I can choose to do the opposite of what I prefer " -- Ben Jacoby. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-06-08 10:17 -0700
                Re: Worshiping Ignorance. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-06-09 01:58 +0000
                Re: Worshiping Ignorance. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 19:55 -0700
                Re: Worshiping Ignorance. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-06-09 21:37 +0000
                EINSTEIN's category, far from the Pope. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-06-09 14:51 -0700
                Re: EINSTEIN's category, far from the Pope. Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-06-09 22:01 +0000
                To a retard, _everything_ is "random". Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-06-09 15:11 -0700
                Re: EINSTEIN's category, far from the Pope. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 15:13 -0700
                Re: EINSTEIN's category, far from the Pope. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-09 15:54 -0700
                Re: EINSTEIN's category, far from the Pope. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-06-09 22:54 +0000
                People are forever MisQuoting Einstein; I correct them. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-06-09 16:40 -0700
                Re: People are forever MisQuoting Einstein; I correct them. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-06-10 00:15 +0000
                Putting words in Einstein's mouth. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-06-09 17:42 -0700
                Re: Putting words in Einstein's mouth. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-06-10 00:59 +0000
                God Doesn't Play Dice, he's not an idiot; nor is he a "he". Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-06-09 18:28 -0700
                Re: God Doesn't Play Dice, he's not an idiot; nor is he a "he". vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-06-10 01:42 +0000
                Mark Twain was a determinist. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-06-09 20:16 -0700
                Re: Mark Twain was a determinist. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-10 12:48 -0400
                Quantum Mechanics is statistical, not complete. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-06-10 10:51 -0700
                Re: Quantum Mechanics is statistical, not complete. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 11:10 -0700
                Re: Quantum Mechanics is statistical, not complete. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-11 11:02 -0400
                Quantum Mechanics is statistical, not complete. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-06-11 09:20 -0700
                Re: Quantum Mechanics is statistical, not complete. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-11 17:09 -0400
                Bell's theorem is just another "I don't know". Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-06-11 14:32 -0700
                Re: Bell's theorem is just another "I don't know". Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-11 14:33 -0700
                No one can "prove" ThermoDynamics and/or General Relativity, 100.00000000%. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-06-11 15:00 -0700
                Re: No one can "prove" ThermoDynamics and/or General Relativity, 100.00000000%. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-11 15:01 -0700
                We assert _useful_ premises ( and ThermoDynamics is _Very_ useful ). Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-06-11 15:27 -0700
                Re: Bell's theorem is just another "I don't know". benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-11 19:57 -0400
                Re: Bell's theorem is just another "I don't know". vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-06-12 17:11 +0000
                SuperDeterminism was useful to Einstein, and to me. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-06-12 12:03 -0700
                Enjoy your silly hat. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-06-13 14:46 -0700
                Sex toys/dolls. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-06-15 00:44 -0700
                Re: God Doesn't Play Dice, he's not an idiot; nor is he a "he". benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-09 22:59 -0400
                Re: God Doesn't Play Dice, he's not an idiot; nor is he a "he". vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-06-10 03:51 +0000
                Re: God Doesn't Play Dice, he's not an idiot; nor is he a "he". benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-10 12:50 -0400
                Mark Twain, Einstein and Stephen Hawking are revered by nerds Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-06-10 11:01 -0700
                Re: Mark Twain, Einstein and Stephen Hawking are revered by nerds benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-11 11:06 -0400
                Asleep, living in a dream. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-06-11 10:04 -0700
                Re: Asleep, living in a dream. Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-06-11 14:22 -0500
                Re: Asleep, living in a dream. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-11 17:21 -0400
                Your house is built on sand. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-06-11 14:43 -0700
                Re: God Doesn't Play Dice, he's not an idiot; nor is he a "he". Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 04:21 -0700
                Re: Putting words in Einstein's mouth. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-09 18:30 -0700
                Re: Putting words in Einstein's mouth. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 20:40 -0700
                Re: Putting words in Einstein's mouth. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-11 07:02 -0500
                Re: Putting words in Einstein's mouth. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-11 05:17 -0700
                Quantum Mechanics is _not_ complete. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-06-11 09:41 -0700
                Re: Quantum Mechanics is _not_ complete. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-11 17:17 -0400
                "statistics is [sic] real" -- Ben Jacoby. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-06-11 14:39 -0700
                Re: "statistics is [sic] real" -- Ben Jacoby. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-11 14:53 -0700
                When I hear the word "Quantum", I replace it with the word "BullShit". Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-06-11 15:09 -0700
                Re: When I hear the word "Quantum", I replace it with the word "BullShit". Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-06-11 15:25 -0700
                Re: "statistics is [sic] real" -- Ben Jacoby. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-11 20:00 -0400
                " I can't know "  -- Bell's Theorem. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-06-11 19:29 -0700
                Re: EINSTEIN's category, far from the Pope. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-09 22:28 -0400
                Re: Worshiping Ignorance. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 14:53 -0700
                If the truth is your enemy... Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-06-09 00:14 -0700
                Re: Worshiping Ignorance. Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2018-06-09 06:52 -0400
                Re: Worshiping Ignorance. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-09 05:26 -0700
                Re: Harp playing, androgynous angels in the clouds ? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-07 23:27 -0700
  Re: We assert useful premises, disregarding the truth. Steven Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-06 14:21 -0700
  Re: We assert useful premises, disregarding the truth. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-06 21:22 +0000
    I feel rich, very rich. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-06-06 14:39 -0700
    Re: We assert useful premises, disregarding the truth. Steven Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-06 14:52 -0700

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