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Re: Observations

From Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject Re: Observations
Date 2018-05-17 14:34 -0700
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On 5/17/18 12:34 PM, Steve Carroll wrote:
> On Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 11:20:00 AM UTC-6, Snit wrote:
>> On 5/17/18 9:37 AM, Steve Carroll wrote:
>> ...
>>>> As noted: the sc documentation uses the term "table" in different ways,
>>>> which is not TOO bad given how you can generally tell in context. Would
>>>> be better if they were more consistent though.
>>>
>>> All I saw was you point to one paragraph, and its use did not
>>> do what you're claiming.
>>
>> It speaks of presenting you with a "table" when it
> 
> .... is "invoked", which doesn't mean you can't have multiple
> 'tables of data' on a single sheet... as owl has shown.
> 
>> really presents you with a spreadsheet.
> 
> It's presenting both.
> 
>> You can set up a table on that spreadsheet, but by
>> default it does not have any tables set up.
> 
> You can't read, They even use the term "empty" in the portion of the man page
> you just quoted:
> 
> "When invoked it presents you with a table organized as rows and columns
> of cells. If invoked without a file argument, the table is initially empty."
> 
>  From that... anyone who can comprehend what they read can deduce:
> 
> There is *always* at least 1 "table" present, even if it's "empty"
> 
>> Nor does Excel.
> 
> It does if you open a blank worksheet; there, you get an "empty" table
> in the sheet.
 >
>>>> Hey, owl (and you) are arguing that there should be more consistency in
>>>> how different spreadsheets use terms. You want better consistency... cool!
>>>
>>> LOL! In a computing context the term 'table' has always been to
>>> organize data into rows and columns. Why aren't you, Mr. PEE,
>>> calling for consistency to something that is this obvious?
>>
>> Before Owl corrected me and I did some research I made the same mistake
>> you are making now
> 
> My contention is that a table organizes data into rows and columns.

Which is not in contention... and given the context here, of discussing 
WHICH rows and columns and how they are organized, is indicative of the 
confusion of yours I have been noting. Fair enough.

> My contention is that sc gives you an empty table on a sheet when
> invoked. Where is my "mistake"?

You also claim that you have an empty table in a blank worksheet. OK, by 
that view if you then create a table at C2:H8 and another at B12:L18 are 
you saying that to your way of thinking those tables are within 
tables... and all of that is in a worksheet? So the whole worksheet is 
one table and the other tables are embedded tables? If not, can you clarify?

>>>> But the term "table" has been used in different ways by different
>>>> spreadsheets for ages. Heck, go back to the Apple IIe AppleWorks guides
>>>> and the Lotus 1-2-3 guides and I am sure they use terms differently than
>>>> we do now.
>>>
>>> Examples?
>>
>> Looked at Lotus 1-2-3 and was surprised to see it speak of
>> "spreadsheets" in the way sc and Excel does (though except when it
>> speaks of HTML tables it does not use the term "table" the way you do
>> above,
> 
> Without screwing with it via CSS, HTML tables adhere to the normal
> concept of a table in that they'll format the data visually as organized
> into rows and columns. You need to see this a 3rd time?

Nobody needed this the FIRST time. You think it is needed because you 
are not understanding what you are reading.

>> or the way Numbers does... as I noted, Numbers uses the term
>> "table" more as HTML does than other spreadsheet programs).
> 
> "more" how?

Covered elsewhere: the tables are not in a bigger grid of cells (a 
worksheet)

>> And, to my surprise, even AppleWorks on the Apple IIe speaks of multiple
>> tables on the same spreadsheet.
>>
>> So maybe I am wrong on that. I can accept that.
> 
> Seems like you're having trouble doing so.

As, clearly, are you. But only one of us is willing to admit to our 
confusion.

This is what I have noted time and time again: there is no shame in 
being wrong, it is how we react to it which is telling. You see it as a 
weakness for me to admit to being wrong... I see it as a strength.

>>>> Most people get the context at least most of the time.
>>>
>>> The term is 'table', the context is 'computing'. Stick to that
>>> and the well worn definitions and you'll fine.
>>
>> Keep in mind you got confused between a spreadsheet (which is a grid of
>> labeled rows and columns) with that of a table (which is also a grid of
>> rows and columns, though not always labeled).
> 
> Other than the post I wrote to owl, in what post did I use the term
> "spreadsheet" in the manner in which you're claiming here? In any event,
> like I said, a sheet in sc starts with an "empty" table, as is made clear in
> the man page... which removes this silly argument you're trying to foist
> onto me because you can't read (as shown above and *again* below).

See above.

>>> Why is that confusing if it merely means rows and columns to
>>> organize data with the ability to have more than one table per
>>> worksheet?
>>
>> Excel uses the term "table" to mean a very specific thing which is
>> different than how you and owl use the term. It is not just a range of
>> cells in the worksheet but a grouping the software recognizes and can
>> work with in a different way. This grouping has its own header row,
>> alternate row colors, calculated columns which work in concert with each
>> other, etc. This feature used to be called an "Excel List".
> 
> Things like color are styling, a header "row" is the thing used to organize
> it and it doesn't break for the row/column paradigm. Working in concert
> with each other is not necessary for something to be a table, though, it is
> a standard feature of a serious app. You're obviously very confused, you're
> conflating a bunch of stuff and calling "others" "wrong".

Might I suggest you seek out a mirror. :)

>>>> But they do this for a reason and, except when first
>>>> learning it, I do not see evidence this causes much confusion in people
>>>> outside of COLA.
>>>
>>> That I see, you're the only one who appears to be confused...
>>> except, even you pointed out owl's use was "correct". So are
>>> you just trolling?
>>
>> Owl's use was correct for sc (I think) ... and mostly though not fully
>> correct for Excel (where the term "table" has a very specific and
>> different meaning).
> 
> Again... you can't read:
> 
> "A table typically contains related data in a series of worksheet rows
> and columns that have been formatted as a table."
> 
> That's it. Period.

Then an empty worksheet, which is not formatted, is not a table. :)

See, Carroll, you are playing semantic games and tying yourself in knots 
just to be "right". I am not interested in that.

>> He was not correct for how Numbers uses the term.
> 
> You tacitly stated Numbers was incorrect yourself.

If you have an example of the Numbers help files or whatever using the 
terms inconsistently or whatever I am open to it... but the fact that 
different programs use these terms in somewhat different ways is not a 
sign any of them are "wrong".

> How? I'm also waiting to see how a Numbers table is "more" like HTML than
> HTML is like Excel. No one, not Apple, not MS, you or owl can redefine what
> a "table" is, and conflating one with the features a given app might supply to
> its tables cannot change that fact.

Yet here you are playing semantic games!

> When I wrote: "Good on you, so why are you arguing with yourself?"
> 
> I was only being slightly sarcastic. I was more to the point when I wrote:
> 
> "Some seem to have a bizarre penchant for relativism even when it
> makes no sense to apply it as they redefine industry standard terms."
> 
> What'd I mean? You're conflating features of tables, or the lack thereof, with
> the tables themselves. You've conflated the "features" MS has given to their
> tables with the concept of a table in general.

I am noting I have no desire to play your semantic games... and noting 
where you are clearly confused and refuse to admit it.

But this is going nowhere... and if you continue without moving in a 
more interesting, and less trolling, direction I shall just give up on 
the thread only to have you whine I am "running" because I am not giving 
you the attention you crave.

>> I get this... at least largely. Given the subtle differences in how the
>> terms are used, and even the internal inconsistencies shown in the sc
>> man page
> 
> That I've seen, the only inconsistencies you've shown are all based
> on your piss poor reading comprehension.

You see everything in relation to me and your biases, sure. I am 
speaking objectively though.

>> , when you get really pedantic as you and owl are pushing there
>> may still be some confusion.
> 
> I see only you confused.

>> For myself and most people in the world -- novices or techies,
>> though, we can use context to generally understand each other just
>> fine. Most people do not get as pedantic as the two of you.  >
> The ol' argumentum ad populum won't help you.

See how you snipped, again. This is what you do when you know you have 
no real point. What I am noting, clearly, is most people do not play the 
pedantic semantic games you and Owl like... and that NOT playing the 
actually increases understanding. Your insistence on playing such games 
has you all twisted up in your pretzel logic.

And that is your issue, not mine... and I have no desire or obligation 
to help you dig yourself out of the hole you dug for yourself. In the 
past I have tried, and you only get more and more irrational and 
contradict yourself more and more and deny it more and more and then 
blame me for all of your issues. You are very guilty of that... by which 
I mean ACTUALLY guilty but I do not imply you have been found so in a 
court of law. :)

-- 
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They 
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel 
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

<https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>

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                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-18 15:50 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-18 17:04 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-18 17:53 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-18 18:29 -0700
                Re: Observations Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-05-19 01:33 +0000
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-18 18:39 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-18 19:12 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-18 20:13 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-18 23:03 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-19 08:16 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-19 08:28 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-19 08:47 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-19 08:50 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-19 09:00 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-19 09:03 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-19 09:25 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-19 09:27 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-19 09:32 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-19 17:39 -0700
                Re: Observations chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-05-21 07:16 -0500
                Re: Observations Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2018-05-21 09:20 -0400
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-21 07:23 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-21 08:41 -0700
                Re: Observations chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-05-22 08:22 -0500
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-21 09:31 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-21 09:59 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-21 11:23 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-21 19:28 +0000
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-21 14:39 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-21 20:21 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 00:31 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 09:09 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-22 09:47 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 10:04 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-22 10:17 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 10:29 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-22 10:42 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-22 10:38 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 10:58 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-22 11:05 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 11:36 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-22 11:44 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 12:32 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-22 12:36 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 12:44 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-22 12:48 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 13:20 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-22 13:31 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 14:36 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-22 15:04 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 15:23 -0700
                Don't expect a good response. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-05-22 15:12 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-22 15:53 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 16:46 -0700
                innerText Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-05-22 16:59 -0700
                Re: innerText Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 17:39 -0700
                Re: innerText Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-22 18:06 -0700
                Re: innerText Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-05-23 01:18 +0000
                Re: innerText Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 18:21 -0700
                Re: innerText Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-22 18:32 -0700
                Re: innerText Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-22 18:32 -0700
                Re: innerText Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 18:49 -0700
                Re: innerText RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 20:09 +0000
                Why ?  What's the goal ? Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-05-22 18:46 -0700
                Re: Why ?  What's the goal ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 19:10 -0700
                Re: Why ? What's the goal ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-22 19:30 -0700
                Re: Why ? What's the goal ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-22 19:28 -0700
                Re: Why ? What's the goal ? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 20:37 -0700
                Re: innerText Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 17:46 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-22 18:05 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 19:13 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-22 19:31 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 07:45 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-23 08:43 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 09:12 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-23 09:24 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 09:49 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-23 12:34 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 12:56 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-23 13:34 -0700
                Tables Within Tables. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-05-23 13:56 -0700
                Re: Tables Within Tables. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 14:10 -0700
                If not a .CSV file, then what ? Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-05-23 14:47 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 15:19 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-23 17:59 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 19:14 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-23 19:42 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 12:23 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? quatloo <quatloo@tribble.net> - 2018-05-24 14:42 -0500
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-24 13:13 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? quatloo <quatloo@tribble.net> - 2018-05-25 09:21 -0500
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 09:13 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 09:22 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? quatloo <quatloo@tribble.net> - 2018-05-25 12:08 -0500
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 10:20 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 10:28 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 10:38 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 10:49 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 10:56 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 20:41 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 21:08 -0700
                Apple products are a fashion statement; Linux users are "ugly". Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-05-25 11:22 -0700
                Re: Apple products are a fashion statement; Linux users are "ugly". Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 11:50 -0700
                Re: Apple products are a fashion statement; Linux users are "ugly". Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 11:55 -0700
                Re: Apple products are a fashion statement; Linux users are "ugly". Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 12:45 -0700
                Re: Apple products are a fashion statement; Linux users are "ugly". Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 14:12 -0700
                Re: Apple products are a fashion statement; Linux users are "ugly". Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 14:42 -0700
                Re: Apple products are a fashion statement; Linux users are "ugly". Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 15:23 -0700
                Re: Apple products are a fashion statement; Linux users are "ugly". Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 15:39 -0700
                Re: Apple products are a fashion statement; Linux users are "ugly". Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 16:12 -0700
                Re: Apple products are a fashion statement; Linux users are "ugly". Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 18:25 -0700
                Re: Apple products are a fashion statement; Linux users are "ugly". Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 18:56 -0700
                Re: Apple products are a fashion statement; Linux users are "ugly". owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-26 02:24 +0000
                Re: Apple products are a fashion statement; Linux users are "ugly". Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 19:35 -0700
                Re: Apple products are a fashion statement; Linux users are "ugly". Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 19:46 -0700
                Re: Apple products are a fashion statement; Linux users are "ugly". Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 19:51 -0700
                Re: Apple products are a fashion statement; Linux users are "ugly". Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 19:05 -0700
                Re: Apple products are a fashion statement; Linux users are "ugly". Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 15:26 -0700
                Re: Apple products are a fashion statement; Linux users are "ugly". Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 16:13 -0700
                Re: Apple products are a fashion statement; Linux users are "ugly". Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 18:42 -0700
                Michael's PlanetKilling carbon dioxide. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-05-26 02:27 -0700
                Re: Apple products are a fashion statement; Linux users are "ugly". Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 15:32 -0700
                "trolling and flooding" your way to freedom, divorce. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-05-26 02:12 -0700
                Re: "trolling and flooding" your way to freedom, divorce. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 02:36 -0700
                Re: Apple products are a fashion statement; Linux users are "ugly". Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 12:01 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 11:13 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 09:14 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 09:17 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 09:31 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 09:43 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 09:53 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 10:18 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 09:54 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 20:40 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 10:11 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 20:39 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? quatloo <quatloo@tribble.net> - 2018-05-25 12:09 -0500
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 10:16 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 10:24 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 10:43 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 10:50 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 14:15 -0700
                Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-05-26 02:44 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 09:53 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-26 10:15 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 11:48 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-26 11:58 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 12:06 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-26 12:13 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 12:41 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-26 20:21 +0000
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 14:05 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-26 14:46 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 16:04 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 16:27 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-26 16:31 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 16:40 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 16:58 -0700
                Tech question for Carroll Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-26 17:14 -0700
                Re: Tech question for Carroll Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-27 12:27 -0700
                Re: Tech question for Carroll Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 12:50 -0700
                Re: Tech question for Carroll Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-29 08:52 -0700
                Re: Tech question for Carroll Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-29 09:18 -0700
                Re: Tech question for Carroll Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-29 20:41 +0000
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-26 16:53 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 17:21 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 17:45 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 22:59 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-26 17:35 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 21:26 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 09:28 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-27 09:42 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 10:33 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 11:31 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-27 10:42 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 11:04 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-27 11:19 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 11:43 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-27 11:59 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 12:51 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-27 12:56 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 13:06 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-27 13:12 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 13:36 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-27 14:11 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 14:56 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 15:59 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-27 16:05 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 16:27 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 17:01 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-27 20:12 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 21:22 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 06:41 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 18:12 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-28 19:06 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-29 11:48 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-29 11:55 -0700
                Tech question for Carroll Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-29 14:41 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-29 12:12 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-29 13:13 -0700
                Tech question for Carroll Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-29 14:40 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-29 13:36 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 19:28 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-27 13:02 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 13:12 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-27 13:27 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 13:48 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 13:37 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 12:18 -0700
                Re: Mike is lying to himself because it's _useful_ to do so. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 15:56 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 14:23 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 14:48 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 15:30 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 17:43 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 20:03 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 10:21 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-24 13:09 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 14:00 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 16:51 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-24 20:17 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 20:53 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-24 21:30 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 21:47 -0700
                The head shrinker. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-05-24 22:13 -0700
                Re: The head shrinker. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 22:18 -0700
                Re: The head shrinker. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-24 22:22 -0700
                Re: The head shrinker. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 22:24 -0700
                "kinder" is German for "children". Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-05-24 22:39 -0700
                Re: "kinder" is German for "children". Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-24 23:26 -0700
                Re: "kinder" is German for "children". Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 08:58 -0700
                Re: "kinder" is German for "children". quatloo <quatloo@tribble.net> - 2018-05-25 09:15 -0500
                Re: "kinder" is German for "children". Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 07:35 -0700
                Re: "kinder" is German for "children". Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 08:55 -0700
                Re: "kinder" is German for "children". Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 09:24 -0700
                Re: The head shrinker. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-24 22:19 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-24 22:04 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 22:10 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-24 22:16 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 22:22 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 22:25 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 20:19 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-23 20:25 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 21:06 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 23:26 -0700
                Re: If not a .CSV file, then what ? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 02:35 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 13:16 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 15:30 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 15:44 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 16:32 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 18:53 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 19:28 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 19:42 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 19:57 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 20:01 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 20:10 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 20:13 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 20:37 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 20:44 -0700
                Ping Carroll: Why all the trolling? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-25 19:03 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-05-23 07:15 -0500
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 07:16 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 07:19 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-23 07:48 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Doomsdrzej <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-05-23 07:45 -0400
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 04:58 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-23 12:48 +0000
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 06:17 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 07:19 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 07:35 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-23 07:53 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 08:17 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-23 08:52 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 09:22 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-23 09:34 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 10:01 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-23 12:36 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 13:28 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-23 13:39 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 10:09 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 09:38 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-23 12:37 -0700
                Re: Don't expect a good response. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 13:01 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 14:52 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-22 10:37 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-21 17:13 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-18 17:14 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-19 10:21 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-19 10:25 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-17 18:24 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-17 18:25 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-17 08:48 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-17 09:12 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-17 09:09 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-17 09:16 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-17 09:37 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-17 10:19 -0700
                Re: Observations owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-17 18:55 +0000
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-17 14:12 -0700
                Re: Observations owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-17 22:09 +0000
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-17 15:18 -0700
                Re: Observations owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-17 22:41 +0000
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-17 15:44 -0700
                Re: Observations owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-17 23:08 +0000
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-17 16:19 -0700
                Re: Observations owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-17 23:29 +0000
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-17 17:10 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-17 12:34 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-17 14:34 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-17 15:23 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-17 15:40 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-17 16:39 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-17 18:20 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-17 19:06 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-17 19:44 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-17 20:02 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-17 20:13 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-17 20:55 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-17 21:15 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-17 22:19 -0700
                Re: Observations Doomsdrzej <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-05-16 07:38 -0400
                Re: Observations chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-05-16 07:53 -0500
                Re: Observations Doomsdrzej <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-05-16 09:00 -0400
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-16 07:14 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-16 07:03 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-16 07:16 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-16 10:45 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-16 11:54 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-16 12:04 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-16 12:33 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-16 12:03 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-16 12:24 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-16 12:29 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-17 08:15 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-17 08:38 -0700
                Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-17 08:47 -0700
                Re: Observations Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-17 09:08 -0700
  Re: Observations Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-12 08:15 -0700
  Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-12 09:10 -0700
    Re: Observations owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-12 17:20 +0000
      Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-12 10:34 -0700
        Re: Observations owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-12 17:46 +0000
          Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-12 11:02 -0700
            Re: Observations owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-13 04:34 +0000
              Re: Observations Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-13 10:17 -0700

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