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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.os.linux.advocacy |
| Subject | Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops |
| Date | 2018-05-09 14:13 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <flh6k0F6olrU2@mid.individual.net> (permalink) |
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On 5/9/18 2:05 PM, Steve Carroll wrote: > On Wednesday, May 9, 2018 at 9:11:25 AM UTC-6, Snit wrote: >> On 5/9/18 4:48 AM, chrisv wrote: >>> vallor wrote: >>> >>>> This isn't an exaggeration, they are all applications I run on my gaming >>>> desktop. >>>> >>>> https://imgur.com/QuhB6zn >>>> >>>> It's Windows 10, and we're used to these so-called "inconsistent" >>>> interfaces. As I said before: big woop. >>>> >>>> For those confused by such things, stay away from Windows and Linux. >>> >>> Yep. That's what the Mac is for. >>> >> The point I was making was that as much as those in COLA fail to >> understand the value, when you look at a REAL Linux advocacy community >> they DO understand the value. And looking at the thread I pointed to is >> a great example. Here, from that thread: >> >> <https://goo.gl/ZSWbc9> Ezee Linux on Facebook >> ----- >> I just spent a rather frustrating morning trying to >> figure out how to get QT applications and GTK >> applications to look like they belong together on >> Ubuntu 18.04 with the GNOME and Unity desktops... >> I’d like to find a new-user friendly way of doing it >> but it eludes me. I’ve followed a bunch of >> suggestions in forums but none has worked >> satisfactorily. I know it is possible because Linux >> Mint, Ubuntu MATE and any distribution running the >> KDE Plasma desktop come with everything setup to >> look right. KDE offers separate controls for QT and >> QTK so you can really dial it in while GNOME offers >> nothing and Ubuntu didn’t bother to try to address >> the issue downstream. Some folks don’t care, of >> course, but it’s a real bummer to me. Your thoughts? >> ----- >> >> And replies to that comment: >> ----- >> I tried some years ago... and never tried after >> that. I just accepted it. (I used to run Arch with >> Xfce4, now I mainly run straight up Debian with >> Xfce4.) >> >> Trying to make things look good would be a dream - >> but therein lies madness. >> ----- >> Spoonamore Same here. I'm on Manjaro with Mate. It >> will all normalize when either QT or GTK dies.. >> ----- >> Hemmingsen Well, I even tried to make the design >> look good when you do tiled applications at some >> point. I was really annoyed by the rounded edges >> in each upper corner. Even when you tiled them. >> But on the other hand, it works - and it works >> very well. Hell I ran it on hardware at the time >> you couldn't even get anymore. At least 10+ >> years old. I just recently upgraded to some >> better hardware. But it was already fast and >> could be used well. Even back then. >> ----- >> >> >> And looking now, I see this is the "top comment" (other than another >> from Ezee Linux himself): >> ----- >> It is not just an issue of looks but of usability. >> The face this is still as much of an issue on >> desktop Linux as it is harms adoption and reduced >> productivity even for most who say they do not care. >> >> I am very happy to see you speak of this. Your voice >> is becoming — or already is — a high profile one. >> Hopefully this helps the situation improve. >> ----- >> >> To be fair there ARE some who say it does not bother them much... but >> the norm, clearly, is to recognize that this IS a issue. > > You call that thread (with very few people in it) in where many (most?) > are saying they don't care, "the norm"? And the only guy that agreed > with you has no FB history:"Jon Christopher Spoonamore" Many in that discussion show understanding, and I could not care less about the history of the people responding. > C'mon, Snit... you know no one will bite on this BS. And how is the > image Scott showed all that different than what can and *does* > happen on my Macs? There are not two competing UI paradigms on a Mac, with each one being lead by people who note that having two paradigms is detrimental the user. Again, if YOU do not get the value of UI design that promotes productivity, efficiency, and error-reduction that is fine. There are many things I do not understand. But why say anything against those who do understand and care? What is the value other than to troll? -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
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(lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-05-09 04:26 +0000
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-08 22:11 -0700
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-08 22:15 -0700
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-08 23:13 -0700
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-05-09 06:48 -0500
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-09 08:11 -0700
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-05-09 20:07 +0000
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-09 13:34 -0700
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-09 13:59 -0700
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-09 14:06 -0700
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-09 14:09 -0700
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-09 14:10 -0700
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-09 14:15 -0700
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-05-10 07:41 +0000
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-10 07:49 -0700
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-10 08:12 -0700
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-10 09:23 -0700
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-10 09:30 -0700
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-10 09:34 -0700
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-05-10 10:24 -0500
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-10 09:24 -0700
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-05-10 20:17 +0000
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-10 13:24 -0700
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Doomsdrzej <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-05-10 17:34 -0400
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-10 14:36 -0700
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-09 14:05 -0700
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-09 14:13 -0700
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-09 14:52 -0700
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-09 16:58 -0700
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-09 17:33 -0700
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-09 19:45 -0700
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-09 21:05 -0700
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-09 23:10 -0700
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-09 19:57 -0700
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-11 09:14 -0700
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-11 09:44 -0700
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-11 09:48 -0700
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-11 09:59 -0700
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-11 10:17 -0700
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-11 10:27 -0700
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-11 11:26 -0700
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-12 09:11 -0700
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-12 11:24 -0700
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-05-10 20:14 +0000
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-10 13:23 -0700
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-05-10 22:55 +0000
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-10 16:05 -0700
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-05-11 02:58 +0000
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Doomsdrzej <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-05-11 07:23 -0400
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-11 05:45 -0700
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-05-11 11:22 -0500
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2018-05-11 13:36 +0100
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