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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Newsgroups | comp.os.linux.advocacy |
| Subject | Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops |
| Date | 2018-05-09 13:59 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <flh5q7F6jpsU1@mid.individual.net> (permalink) |
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On 5/9/18 1:07 PM, vallor wrote: > On Wed, 09 May 2018 08:11:19 -0700, Snit wrote: > >> On 5/9/18 4:48 AM, chrisv wrote: >>> vallor wrote: >>> >>>> This isn't an exaggeration, they are all applications I run on my >>>> gaming desktop. >>>> >>>> https://imgur.com/QuhB6zn >>>> >>>> It's Windows 10, and we're used to these so-called "inconsistent" >>>> interfaces. As I said before: big woop. >>>> >>>> For those confused by such things, stay away from Windows and Linux. >>> >>> Yep. That's what the Mac is for. >>> >> The point I was making was that as much as those in COLA fail to >> understand the value, when you look at a REAL Linux advocacy community >> they DO understand the value. > > Wrong. I am absolutely right that I and others have a pretty good understanding of the value! > Some people will quibble about anything. Ah, nice effort to turn things around! There are people who want a better experience on their Linux desktop, one where they can be confident they will be more productive and efficient and where they will make fewer errors, and you say they are merely "quibbling about anything". > Most desktop users use Windows, which doesn't have this holy grail of > "consistency" that you seek. And: nobody cares. Another interesting twist! First, what makes you think nobody cares about these things which impact productivity, efficiency, and error-reduction? Second, while Windows is clearly not perfect (far from it) it is not as bad as Linux. Heck, even macOS, which is better than the others, is far from perfect. >> And looking at the thread I pointed to is >> a great example. Here, from that thread: > > No, you went out of your way to find something to quibble about. Not > interested, nor will I give you any more of the attention you seek. Also from that discussion: ----- What I have seen in many Linux group is people denying the importance of the issue... they will say if you want consistency and other UI "niceties" you should use Windows or macOS. I find this odd given how in the announcement post for KDE that was one of the prime goals, and it is still listed on their site as one of their prime goals, and on their usability documents. Same is true of the GNOME user interface guidelines. ----- IMO.... It seems Basic-GUI-Settings do tend to take a back-seat to functionality. These QT/GTK issues reminds that there is also a lack of Sound-Themes and Settings for DE's. For me, I find it very important to be able to set sounds-events in a DE. When I am doing a 1,000 things at one time, it's nice to get audio-notification of something going on. Especially if you are in another room. Cinnamon has come closest to fixing this audio issue. In any event, it's time for DE standards to be drafted. All DE's need to meet basic standards. ----- I have no idea how, technically, this would even be possible, but I would love developers to have a choice to make a UI for each of the major GUI systems. The program core would remain the same, but the program could be set to feel like it was native to whichever paradigm you used. This would include not just what buttons looked like and file and print dialogs and the like, but where menu items were located and called (say, settings / preferences, or quit / exit) but even to how screens were laid out. Not saying this would be easy. It would not... but it would be a great addition to the ecosystem. ----- Agreed ----- You are right that some do not understand the value. This is as one would expect... not everyone understands the value of MOST of the design choices that go into the products they use! But there are many of us who DO understand the value, or have a decent understanding at least. Why do you insult and belittle those who understand something you make clear you do not? I get it if you are not interested, but why put others down for what they do understand? -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
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(lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-05-09 04:26 +0000
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-08 22:11 -0700
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-08 22:15 -0700
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-08 23:13 -0700
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-05-09 06:48 -0500
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-09 08:11 -0700
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-05-09 20:07 +0000
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-09 13:34 -0700
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-09 13:59 -0700
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-09 14:06 -0700
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-09 14:09 -0700
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-09 14:10 -0700
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-09 14:15 -0700
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-05-10 07:41 +0000
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-10 07:49 -0700
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-10 08:12 -0700
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-10 09:23 -0700
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-10 09:30 -0700
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-10 09:34 -0700
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-05-10 10:24 -0500
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-10 09:24 -0700
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-05-10 20:17 +0000
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-10 13:24 -0700
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Doomsdrzej <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-05-10 17:34 -0400
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-10 14:36 -0700
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-09 14:05 -0700
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-09 14:13 -0700
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-09 14:52 -0700
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-09 16:58 -0700
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-09 17:33 -0700
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-09 19:45 -0700
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-09 21:05 -0700
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-09 23:10 -0700
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-09 19:57 -0700
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-11 09:14 -0700
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-11 09:44 -0700
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-11 09:48 -0700
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-11 09:59 -0700
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-11 10:17 -0700
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-11 10:27 -0700
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-11 11:26 -0700
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-12 09:11 -0700
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-12 11:24 -0700
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-05-10 20:14 +0000
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-10 13:23 -0700
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-05-10 22:55 +0000
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-10 16:05 -0700
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-05-11 02:58 +0000
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Doomsdrzej <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-05-11 07:23 -0400
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-11 05:45 -0700
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-05-11 11:22 -0500
Re: (lack of) Consistency in commercial desktops William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2018-05-11 13:36 +0100
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