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Re: Less than 1% care about Russia

Newsgroups comp.os.linux.advocacy
Date 2018-07-25 10:36 -0700
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Subject Re: Less than 1% care about Russia
From Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com>

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On Wednesday, July 25, 2018 at 6:25:27 AM UTC-6, -hh wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 24, 2018 at 6:32:26 PM UTC-4, Steve Carroll wrote:
> > On 2018-07-24 21:44:09 +0000, -hh said:
> > > On Tuesday, July 24, 2018 at 2:12:22 PM UTC-4, Steve Carroll wrote:
> > >> On Monday, July 23, 2018 at 5:29:28 PM UTC-6, -hh wrote:
> > >> 
> > >>> The investigation is still very, very early.>> Which is why no one 
> > >>> should be alleging unquestionable guilt.
> > > 
> > > When the party has already plead guilty ... that's pretty unquestionable.
> > 
> > RonB:  "I think the Russian collusion bullshit is just that, total and 
> > complete bullshit."
> > You: "The investigation is still very, very early."
> > 
> > There is no charge of "collusion" to "plead guilty" to. You're 
> > confalting things.
> 
> Incorrect

So cite this collusion law, then, and name this "party" who "plead guilty" to it.

> > >> We now live in an atmosphere where search warrants and indictments 
> > >> equal guilt (Glasser> must be loving the hell outta it). That there is 
> > >> currently no publicly available
> > >> evidence doesn't mean anyone is innocent, but it also means that the people
> > >> involved are still presumed to be so. One would never know that by 
> > >> listening> to the 'Snit' on the street, who is constantly force fed 
> > >> crap by the media.
> > > It is equally ridiculous to see people jump to a conclusion
> > 
> > That was *my* point (even you appear to have jumped to the conclusion 
> > that someone plead guilty to collusion).
> 
> False, because as already noted above, the scope of the investigation
> just isn't that narrow.  

Irrelevant to the context you responded to and what you twisted.

> > >  thatsomeone MUST be innocent because the evidence hasn't been made
> > > fully available to the public before there's even been a trial to
> > > submit it...
> > > 
> > >>> Oh, so you’ve had a Security clearance and have worked with
> > >>> them professionally to know this?
> > >> 
> > >> This cuts both ways.
> > > 
> > > Sure does, but the point is that RonB's claim is one that is
> > > based in utter ignorance:
> > 
> > How is what you just displayed not utter ignorance? 
> 
> Because RonB (and you) are clearly ignorant of very basic principles
> of information control:

Another red herring from the guy who couldn't comprehend what he'd read.

> > RonB seems to be 
> > saying he hasn't seen anything that proves Trump engaged in 
> > collusion... which is a different thing than what you just did above.
> 
> Correct, it is a different thing.  And that also includes the
> conclusions which are being drawn:  RonB is trying to use the
> absence of evidence as evidence of absence, which is a known
> logical fallacy of an argument from ignorance

RonB said what he "thinks", you dishonestly labeled that as a "claim".

Who is more "wrong" here? Looks like you are.

> > >>>> Their goal is to get gullible Americans to make emotional decisions,> > 
> > >>>> > not decisions based on facts and reasoning.> >> > Nope
> > >> 
> > >> There is no question he has a valid point there as the> presumption of 
> > >> innocence has left the building for anyone
> > >> involved in the Trump campaign.
> > > But for him to then try to single out an entity and claim that
> > > they've had illegal/malicious conduct with NO proof whatsoever
> > > is perpetuating the same wrong.
> > 
> > Notably, RonB said what he "thinks":
> > 
> > "I think the Russian collusion bullshit is just that..."
> > 
> > You, OTOH, said a "party has already plead guilty" to "collusion" 
> 
> False.

LOL! That is a direct quote from RonB. Your immediate reply to me was:

"When the party has already plead guilty ... that's pretty unquestionable."

> > (which was the context when you repleid).
> 
> No, that's where your leap of logic has taken you, for I was referring 
> to the investigation within its full scope

LOL! You completely tossed out the context of RonB's thought, as you 
dishonestly mislabeled it, and you have the nerve to call it *my* leap?

>, not restricted only to the
> question of Administration collusion. 

But "collusion" was the context you responded and, last I saw, people are still 
allowed to "think" without someone falsely stating their thought is a "claim".

> Try getting your logic straight, then re-assess.

Try reading for context with comprehension.

"collusion" 
"think"

> > >>> , you’ve got them conflated with used car salesmen & politicians.
> > >> 
> > >> Looks to be the other way around and you can easily spot anyone
> > >> doing it because there is no presumption of innocence in their arguments.
> > > If true, then you'll be able to cite statistics where this has 
> > > beendemonstrated to be their regular behavior.  Particularly since 
> > > you're advocating for the principle of innocence as default,
> > 
> > LOL!  Nice try... but that was the "presumption of innocence"... and it 
> > *is* the default.
> 
> Those who have already plead guilty are, by definition, no longer innocent.

Irrelevant. You just alluded to the idea that  a "presumption of innocence"
is not the default. You've now been corrected on that.

FWIW, I *am* advocating for a "presumption of innocence" as the default, and,
for future reference, it's nice to see those in the group who apparently oppose 
it do so openly (which, at present, consists of you and Snit... should be a clue).

(cue up bloviating BS by hh, to which I'll reply: Then why mention it?!)

> > > Oh, we are starting to relive McCarthy, but one does need to correctly
> > > attribute the acts.
> > 
> > Like you did at the top? So go ahead and show the "party" that has 
> > "plead guilty" to "collusion".
> 
> That's a goalpost move on your part.  

That's a 'noting of reality' move on my part, you're the one with the post 
around his neck.

> > >  Particularly since this week's included a threatto revoke security 
> > > clearances of political opponents.
> > 
> > It's not like anyone has a right to a security clearance;
> 
> Not what was being said.

(here, I'll actually ask it) So why mention it? Can't be partisan politics <eyeroll>.

> >  the only reason anyone still has one is based on a gov't belief
> > that they may come in valuable down the road.
> 
> That's one rationale

That's the *only* rationale. 

> for why the current process works the way
> it does, but another is that it saves the government money.

Raising security risks to save cancellation fees. LOL! Are you at Snit's 
house sharing his stash with him?

> In either case, to revoke clearances solely as a politically
> motivated form of retaliation is an extremely dangerous precedent,

Given those in question, I doubt there'll be a problem. 

Bottom line:
RonB said what he "thinks" about "collusion", those things are the context of 
what you responded to. If you didn't mean to convey what you did convey, you 
should have written more clearly. Now, you should recognize you didn't do so
and man up. You're pulling a Snit by blaming the reader. But far worse, you took 
a 'thought' RonB voiced and dishonestly labeled it a "claim". Again, that's Snit 
territory, you *really* wanna go there?

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Less than 1% care about Russia RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-07-19 18:14 +0000
  Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-19 11:30 -0700
  Re: Less than 1% care about Russia chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-07-19 14:38 -0500
    Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-19 13:37 -0700
    Re: Less than 1% care about Russia RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-07-19 23:55 +0000
      Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-19 17:14 -0700
        Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-19 18:17 -0700
      Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-19 17:18 -0700
        Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-19 17:45 -0700
          Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-19 21:42 -0700
        Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-19 20:23 -0700
        Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Storage Unit <storage.unit@mailinator.com> - 2018-07-21 07:40 -0500
          Re: Less than 1% care about Russia SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-21 16:30 +0000
            Re: Less than 1% care about Russia RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-07-21 17:21 +0000
              Re: Less than 1% care about Russia SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-21 18:27 +0000
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-21 12:24 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-07-21 19:45 +0000
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-21 20:01 +0000
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-07-21 20:44 +0000
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-21 14:14 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-22 03:03 -0700
              Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-21 12:42 -0700
            Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-21 12:43 -0700
              Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-21 13:27 -0700
          Re: Less than 1% care about Russia RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-07-21 17:20 +0000
            Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-21 12:42 -0700
          Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-21 12:53 -0700
      Re: Less than 1% care about Russia chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-07-20 07:04 -0500
        Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-20 05:29 -0700
        Re: Less than 1% care about Russia RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-07-20 14:53 +0000
          Re: Less than 1% care about Russia chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-07-20 10:07 -0500
            Re: Less than 1% care about Russia RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-07-20 15:19 +0000
              Re: Less than 1% care about Russia chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-07-20 10:30 -0500
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-07-20 15:36 +0000
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-07-20 10:47 -0500
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-20 16:08 +0000
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-07-20 20:50 +0000
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-21 15:58 +0000
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-21 09:16 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-21 12:44 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-20 16:06 +0000
              Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2018-07-22 13:17 -0400
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-07-23 07:38 -0500
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-23 05:54 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-07-23 16:46 +0000
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-07-23 12:08 -0500
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-07-23 22:26 +0000
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-07-23 16:29 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-24 11:12 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-24 11:37 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-24 11:49 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-24 12:29 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-24 12:48 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-24 12:58 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-24 13:06 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-24 13:13 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-24 13:40 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-24 13:49 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-24 15:38 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-24 15:52 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-24 15:59 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-24 16:06 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-24 16:49 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-24 16:57 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-24 17:03 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-24 17:06 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-24 17:12 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-24 17:30 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Kompyler <kompyler@toke.com> - 2018-07-25 21:02 +0000
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-25 15:17 -0600
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-25 14:19 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Kompyler <kompyler@toke.com> - 2018-07-25 22:34 +0000
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-25 17:08 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia GasPipe <vinnythegaspipe@motz.org> - 2018-07-25 18:34 -0400
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-25 16:05 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia GasPipe <vinnythegaspipe@motz.org> - 2018-07-25 17:43 -0400
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-24 19:30 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-25 01:45 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Kompyler <kompyler@toke.com> - 2018-07-25 21:03 +0000
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Kompyler <kompyler@toke.com> - 2018-07-25 21:01 +0000
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-24 15:03 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-24 15:06 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-07-24 14:44 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-24 16:32 -0600
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-07-25 05:25 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-25 05:41 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-25 06:58 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-25 10:36 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-25 11:49 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-25 13:00 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-25 13:05 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-25 15:07 -0600
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-25 14:16 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-25 15:19 -0600
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-25 14:55 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-07-25 14:50 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-25 15:02 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia GasPipe <vinnythegaspipe@motz.org> - 2018-07-25 18:15 -0400
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-07-25 22:58 +0000
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-25 16:40 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia GasPipe <vinnythegaspipe@motz.org> - 2018-07-25 19:48 -0400
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-25 16:57 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia GasPipe <vinnythegaspipe@motz.org> - 2018-07-25 20:18 -0400
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-25 17:39 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-25 21:18 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-25 22:55 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-07-26 06:37 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-26 14:37 +0000
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-26 09:35 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-07-26 12:06 -0500
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-07-26 20:07 +0000
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-07-26 13:26 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-26 13:45 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-07-27 06:50 -0500
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-27 13:07 +0000
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-27 06:26 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-07-27 06:37 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-27 13:43 +0000
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-07-27 07:09 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-27 16:12 +0000
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-27 09:19 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-07-27 11:09 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-27 11:23 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-27 18:34 +0000
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-07-27 13:08 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-27 14:52 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-27 16:51 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-07-27 19:08 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-27 19:11 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-27 19:26 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-27 20:44 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-27 22:33 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-28 08:33 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-28 09:03 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-28 08:58 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-28 08:49 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-28 08:55 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-27 11:39 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-27 12:15 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-27 12:00 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-27 11:42 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-27 07:13 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-07-27 12:06 -0500
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-27 10:11 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-27 12:13 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-27 11:23 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-27 11:06 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-07-27 19:16 +0000
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-27 12:18 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-07-27 14:35 -0500
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-07-27 19:39 +0000
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-07-27 14:50 -0500
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2018-07-26 15:04 -0400
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-26 12:27 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-25 16:23 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-25 16:45 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-25 16:54 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-25 17:01 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-25 17:15 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-25 17:18 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-25 17:32 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-25 21:15 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-26 10:41 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia GasPipe <vinnythegaspipe@motz.org> - 2018-07-25 20:19 -0400
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-25 17:41 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia GasPipe <vinnythegaspipe@motz.org> - 2018-07-25 20:57 -0400
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-25 21:19 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia GasPipe <vinnythegaspipe@motz.org> - 2018-07-26 10:16 -0400
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-25 21:18 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-25 21:49 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-25 22:54 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-25 23:24 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-26 10:47 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-25 17:23 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-26 14:24 +0000
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-26 09:30 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-26 09:48 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-26 11:24 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-26 20:39 +0000
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-26 14:00 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-26 15:27 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-26 15:51 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-25 15:55 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-25 16:21 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-25 16:26 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-25 16:39 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-25 16:48 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-25 16:59 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-25 17:02 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-25 17:17 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia GasPipe <vinnythegaspipe@motz.org> - 2018-07-25 20:22 -0400
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia GasPipe <vinnythegaspipe@motz.org> - 2018-07-25 20:21 -0400
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-25 17:22 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia GasPipe <vinnythegaspipe@motz.org> - 2018-07-25 20:27 -0400
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-25 17:20 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-23 18:17 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-24 00:57 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-23 23:00 +0000
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-23 16:54 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-23 18:19 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-23 20:32 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-07-24 19:26 +0000
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-24 12:42 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-24 12:46 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-24 20:09 +0000
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2018-07-24 09:36 -0400
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-24 07:13 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-24 15:01 +0000
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-07-24 14:56 -0500
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-07-24 13:00 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-24 13:09 -0700
            Re: Less than 1% care about Russia SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-20 15:25 +0000
              Re: Less than 1% care about Russia chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-07-20 10:31 -0500
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-07-20 15:39 +0000
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-20 09:07 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-20 16:06 +0000
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-07-20 20:53 +0000
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-07-20 11:10 -0500
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-07-20 11:12 -0500
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-20 16:42 +0000
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-20 12:15 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-20 11:12 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-07-20 20:56 +0000
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-21 16:00 +0000
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-07-21 17:22 +0000
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-20 16:42 +0000
            Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2018-07-22 13:17 -0400
              Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-22 10:51 -0700
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-23 00:42 -0700
              Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-22 18:24 -0700
      Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2018-07-20 07:46 -0400
        Re: Less than 1% care about Russia SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-20 13:11 +0000
          Re: Less than 1% care about Russia RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-07-20 15:06 +0000
            Re: Less than 1% care about Russia SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-20 15:35 +0000
            Re: Less than 1% care about Russia -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-07-20 20:42 -0700
              Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-20 21:18 -0700
      Re: Less than 1% care about Russia SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-20 13:10 +0000
        Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-07-20 06:15 -0700
    chrisv is an Arse! Simon bar Sinister <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2018-07-20 05:44 -0700
      chrisv is a naive socialist SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-20 15:03 +0000
  Re: Less than 1% care about Russia SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-20 12:54 +0000
    Re: Less than 1% care about Russia RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-07-20 15:01 +0000
      Re: Less than 1% care about Russia SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-20 15:13 +0000
        Re: Less than 1% care about Russia RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-07-20 15:22 +0000
          Re: Less than 1% care about Russia SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-20 15:55 +0000
            Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-20 13:13 -0700
        Re: Less than 1% care about Russia chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-07-20 10:29 -0500
          Re: Less than 1% care about Russia RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-07-20 15:34 +0000
            Re: Less than 1% care about Russia chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-07-20 10:36 -0500
              Re: Less than 1% care about Russia RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-07-20 15:41 +0000
              Re: Less than 1% care about Russia chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-07-20 10:48 -0500
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-20 16:08 +0000
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-07-20 20:52 +0000
              Re: Less than 1% care about Russia SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-20 16:07 +0000
                Re: Less than 1% care about Russia RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-07-20 20:54 +0000
          Re: Less than 1% care about Russia SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-20 16:04 +0000
            Re: Less than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-20 13:09 -0700
      Re: More than 1% care about Russia chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-07-20 10:17 -0500
        Re: More than 1% care about Russia SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-07-20 15:49 +0000
          Re: More than 1% care about Russia Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-07-20 13:14 -0700

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