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| Date | 2015-07-16 14:13 -0700 |
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| Subject | Re: Could a little warming raise oceans by 20 feet? |
| From | noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> |
the heat of fusion is tres largish > >>> takes a long time, and we're still not sure how much additional > >>> melting we've already committed to. An understanding of this > >>> relationship in the past can help us understand both that and where > >>> we're likely to be headed. As the authors put it, "Given the recent > >>> increases in greenhouse gases and global mean temperature, the > >>> present ice sheets are out of equilibrium with the climate, raising > >>> important questions regarding their potential future contribution to > >>> sea-level rise." > >>> > >>> The authors looked at three different warm periods. One was the > >>> Mid-Pliocene warm period, which occurred three million years ago, > >>> when atmospheric CO2 levels were similar to their present values. > >>> Most climate records suggest temperatures were a few degrees warmer > >>> than present (between 1 and 4 degrees Celsius), but some Arctic > >>> records suggest elevated temperatures of up to 8 degrees Celsius, > >>> which could have severe consequences for the Greenland ice sheet. > >>> Coastal records suggest sea levels rose by more than 15 meters, while > >>> models of the ice sheets in Greenland and Antarctica suggest those > >>> contributed 13m to this rise. > >>> > >>> The second period considered was an unusually long interglacial > >>> period about 400,000 years ago. Greenhouse gases reached levels > >>> similar to those found in preindustrial times, while temperature > >>> estimates suggest a climate that was 1 to 2 degrees Celsius warmer > >>> than present. But pollen suggests that southern Greenland was covered > >>> in a spruce forest, and sea level estimates suggest a rise of at > >>> least 6 meters--the source of the 20 foot rise that made the > >>> headlines. > >>> > >>> Another interglacial, coming about 120,000 years ago, saw global > >>> temperatures only slightly warmer than present, but the Arctic and > >>> Antarctic appeared to be unusually warm (in the area of 5 degrees > >>> Celsius). Sea levels again reached at least six meters above present. > >>> And some records suggest fluctuations of a meter or so occurred once > >>> the high point was reached. > >>> > >>> So, *most of these estimates suggest* we're in for a lot higher sea > >>> level given that we're committed to emitting enough carbon to easily > >>> surpass the temperatures involved in the past warm periods. But it's > >>> not entirely that simple. Those warm periods were caused by changes > >>> in the pattern of sunlight that brings more to the Northern > >>> Hemisphere--potentially explaining the high Arctic temperatures and > >>> the severe impacts on Greenland. (That doesn't, of course, explain > >>> the evidence of high Antarctic temperatures.) And, as noted above, > >>> the error bars are still quite large. > >> > >> Mom always said -- don build in the flood plain or near sea level. > > > > My Mom (2 yr more than Bert) lives in central Italy near the sea > > (Adriatic) and there is a fine, light golden tinged sandy beach > > (~50 m, difference in level is ~1 m): when the sea eats even one > > meter (there are durable reference points) I could positively > > tell you. > > > > regards > > Angelo > > So Angelo, as I understand it from "Professor" Wormley, global warming > cause a sea rise of more than a meter years ago! So tell us when you > noticed the beach was gone. > > -- > ___ ___ ___ ___ > /\ \ /\ \ /\__\ /\ \ > /::\ \ /::\ \ /::| | \:\ \ > /:/\:\ \ /:/\:\ \ /:|:| | ___ /::\__\ > /::\~\:\__\ /::\~\:\ \ /:/|:| |__ /\ /:/\/__/ > /:/\:\ \:|__| /:/\:\ \:\__\ /:/ |:| /\__\ \:\/:/ / > \:\~\:\/:/ / \:\~\:\ \/__/ \/__|:|/:/ / \::/ / > \:\ \::/ / \:\ \:\__\ |:/:/ / \/__/ > \:\/:/ / \:\ \/__/ |::/ / > \_:/__/ \:\__\ /:/ / > \/__/ \/__/
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Could a little warming raise oceans by 20 feet? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-07-14 15:16 -0500
Re: Could a little warming raise oceans by 20 feet? jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-07-14 20:47 +0000
Re: Could a little warming raise oceans by 20 feet? "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2015-07-15 15:21 -0700
Re: Could a little warming raise oceans by 20 feet? benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-07-16 16:37 -0400
Re: Could a little warming raise oceans by 20 feet? noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-07-16 14:13 -0700
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