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Re: Latest draft of C++ 11 Organization: Roundhouse Consulting, Ltd.

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On 08/06/2011 09:05, Elias Salomão Helou Neto wrote:
> 
> On 7 jun, 13:33, Daniel Krügler<daniel.krueg...@googlemail.com>
> wrote:

>> On the other hand, almost everybody in the C++ community hopes that
>> the FDIS continues to leak to the Internet and is consulted by
>> programmers because everything else would have a disastrous impact on
>> adoption.
> 
> So, they want to sell something expecting it to be leaked, because if
> not there will be no adoption. Does it make sense?
> 
What matters to the working programmer is what the implementation(s) they use actually do. The Standard is most important to those who provide those implementations. For them the cost of a copy is a minuscule part of the cost of development.

The time for a programmer to become concerned with the specific requirements of the Standard is when the code they write fails to behave in the way they expect. There are several excellent resouces to tackle such issues.

First you can test your code with Comeau C++ to see if it conforms with the Standard. Whilst that product is not definitive it is near as we can get to a reference implementation (and those concerned with conformance to the C++ Standard really should invest in buying a copy)

Next you can consult here or in comp.std.c++ and get a considerable amount of cost free help. Anyone who has ever struggled with the actual Standard will know just how difficult and time-consuming it can be. Even the authors sometimes get surprised by the way different parts can interact.

I can see little relationship between adoption of features in C++ and the words in the Standard. Take the struggle C99 has had. Even with relatively cheap access to that Standard it was many years before implementors had elected to support more than a few parts of it. And even today many C programmers stick with the earlier version.

We can only use what implementers provide. At the moment C++ implementers seem to be highly motivated to produce close to fully conforming implementations. They work from the Standard and they are the people for whom it is most relevant.

Efforts by several people and organisations have drastically reduced the cost of buying a copy of the C++ Standard (on the earlier -- early 1990s business model NBs would be charging you well over $1000 for a copy)

Francis


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Latest draft of C++ 11  Joe Gottman <josephgottman@comcast.net> - 2011-06-05 21:45 -0600
  Re: Latest draft of C++ 11  Anthony Williams <anthony.ajw@gmail.com> - 2011-06-06 12:46 -0600
  Re: Latest draft of C++ 11 Organization: Roundhouse Consulting, Ltd.  Pete Becker <pete@versatilecoding.com> - 2011-06-06 12:44 -0600
    Re: Latest draft of C++ 11 Organization: Roundhouse Consulting, Ltd. Florian Weimer <fw@deneb.enyo.de> - 2011-06-06 15:29 -0600
      Re: Latest draft of C++ 11 Organization: Roundhouse Consulting, Ltd. Elias Salomão Helou Neto <eshneto@gmail.com> - 2011-06-07 03:05 -0600
        Re: Latest draft of C++ 11 Organization: Roundhouse Consulting,  Ltd.  Daniel Krügler <daniel.kruegler@googlemail.com> - 2011-06-07 10:33 -0600
          Re: Latest draft of C++ 11 Organization: Roundhouse Consulting, Ltd.  Francis Glassborow <francis.glassborow@btinternet.com> - 2011-06-08 01:55 -0600
            Re: Latest draft of C++ 11 Organization: Roundhouse Consulting, Ltd.  Elias Salomão Helou Neto <eshneto@gmail.com> - 2011-06-08 17:28 -0600
              Re: Latest draft of C++ 11 Organization: Roundhouse Consulting, Ltd.  Thomas Richter <thor@math.tu-berlin.de> - 2011-06-09 07:04 -0600
          Re: Latest draft of C++ 11 Organization: Roundhouse Consulting, Ltd.  Elias Salomão Helou Neto <eshneto@gmail.com> - 2011-06-08 02:05 -0600
            Re: Latest draft of C++ 11 Organization: Roundhouse Consulting, Ltd.  "Bo Persson" <bop@gmb.dk> - 2011-06-08 17:23 -0600
            Re: Latest draft of C++ 11 Organization: Roundhouse Consulting, Ltd.  Francis Glassborow <francis.glassborow@btinternet.com> - 2011-06-08 17:31 -0600
        Re: Latest draft of C++ 11 Organization: Roundhouse Consulting, Ltd.  Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org> - 2011-06-08 02:03 -0600
          Re: Latest draft of C++ 11 Organization: Roundhouse Consulting, Ltd.  John G Harris <news0@nospam.demon.co.uk> - 2011-06-08 17:26 -0600
            Re: Latest draft of C++ 11 Organization: Roundhouse Consulting, Ltd. Alexander Terekhov <terekhov@web.de> - 2011-06-09 15:49 -0600
              Re: Latest draft of C++ 11 Organization: Roundhouse Consulting, Ltd.  Pete Becker <pete@versatilecoding.com> - 2011-06-10 02:50 -0600
                Re: Latest draft of C++ 11 Organization: Roundhouse Consulting,  Ltd.  Alexander Terekhov <terekhov@web.de> - 2011-06-10 09:22 -0600
      Re: Latest draft of C++ 11 Organization: Roundhouse Consulting, Ltd.  Brendan Miller <catphive@catphive.net> - 2011-06-08 02:04 -0600
        Re: Latest draft of C++ 11 Organization: Roundhouse Consulting, Ltd.  Francis Glassborow <francis.glassborow@btinternet.com> - 2011-06-08 17:19 -0600
        Re: Latest draft of C++ 11 Organization: Roundhouse Consulting, Ltd.  Florian Weimer <fw@deneb.enyo.de> - 2011-06-08 17:26 -0600
  Re: Latest draft of C++ 11 "Bo Persson" <bop@gmb.dk> - 2011-06-06 12:49 -0600
    Re: Latest draft of C++ 11  Helmut Jarausch <jarausch@igpm.rwth-aachen.de> - 2011-06-08 02:06 -0600
      Re: Latest draft of C++ 11  "Bo Persson" <bop@gmb.dk> - 2011-06-08 17:29 -0600
      Re: Latest draft of C++ 11  Alexander Terekhov <terekhov@web.de> - 2011-06-08 17:24 -0600
        Re: Latest draft of C++ 11  Francis Glassborow <francis.glassborow@btinternet.com> - 2011-06-09 06:57 -0600
          Re: Latest draft of C++ 11 Alexander Terekhov <terekhov@web.de> - 2011-06-09 15:53 -0600
  Re: Latest draft of C++ 11  Florian Weimer <fw@deneb.enyo.de> - 2011-06-06 12:45 -0600
  Re: Latest draft of C++ 11  Francis Glassborow <francis.glassborow@btinternet.com> - 2011-06-06 12:48 -0600
  Re: Latest draft of C++ 11  Daniel Krügler <daniel.kruegler@googlemail.com> - 2011-06-06 12:48 -0600
  Re: Latest draft of C++ 11  Nicola  Bonelli <nicola.bonelli@gmail.com> - 2011-06-08 02:01 -0600

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