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| From | Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> |
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| Newsgroups | sci.electronics.design |
| Subject | Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue |
| Date | 2017-07-25 07:29 -0700 |
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On 2017-07-25 03:33, bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote: > On Monday, July 24, 2017 at 7:01:21 PM UTC+2, Joerg wrote: >> On 2017-07-24 04:13, bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote: >>> On Friday, July 21, 2017 at 6:20:19 PM UTC+2, Joerg wrote: >>>> On 2017-07-20 19:07, Jim Thompson wrote: >>>>> OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue... >>>>> >>>>> <http://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2017/07/20/community-colleges-looking-to-drop-algebra-as-a-requirement-sounds-a-little-anti-science/> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >> >>>>> My jaw dropped when they did that. "Not enough kids can pass the test >>>> ... oh, let's just drop it then". >>>> >>>> Time for better schools, and certainly not the schools the >>>> unions want. >>> >>> Have you asked a union about that? >>> >> >> Not necessary. This says it all: >> >> http://calwatchdog.com/2012/10/22/new-law-dumbs-down-calif-math-performance/ >> >> >>> >> They'd love to see extra teachers hired to teach those classes more >>> intensively, and they'd be equally happy to see successful >>> teachers paid more for their capacity to get more kids to meet >>> the requirements. >>> >>> Unions are at least as much about getting better work conditions >>> and better productivity as they are about getting better pay for >>> the rank and file. They tend to be less interesed in getting >>> exceptional rewards for the exceptionally competent, mainly >>> because the exceptionally competent can usually do that for >>> themsselves. >>> >> >> They usually care very little about the kids being educated. It's >> mostly about union dues and turf protection. > > That's what US newspapers say about them. The US as a whole is > uniquely anti-union for an advanced industrial country. ... How many decades has it been since you read a US paper? Most are so leftist by now that I just cancelled our morning paper. IMO it took a real nosedive after the last election so I switched to the Wall Street Journal. > ... When I was > marginally involved with my trade union in the UK, one of the things > I did learn was that US-owned companies were pathologically nervous > of unions, and would make all kinds of concessions to avoid having to > negoatiate with unions. > Yeah, at the car mfgs they rolled over and played dead. That is why they are barely competitive anymore and had their lunch eaten by Asian and German mfgs. > The German system of having trade union representatives on the > secondary boards of all large companies is not one that Americans can > actually comprehend. > > Real unions are interested in the welfare of the people they > represent, ... Exactly, and nobody else. They are not interested in the kids. > ... and that includes making their jobs as productive as > possible, in order to preserve them. > It does not. Which is why charter schools are generally more successfully than union-controlled public one. This is also one of the reasons why the manufacturing base in the US has eroded and continues to do so. > You should know more about it than most US residents ... > I know enough about it. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/
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Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-07-24 04:13 -0700
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-07-24 10:01 -0700
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-07-25 03:33 -0700
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-07-25 07:29 -0700
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-07-25 08:38 -0700
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-07-25 11:06 -0700
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-07-25 11:28 -0700
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-07-25 12:01 -0700
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-07-25 12:30 -0700
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-07-25 12:37 -0700
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-07-25 12:54 -0700
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-07-25 13:26 -0700
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-07-25 13:34 -0700
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-07-25 13:50 -0700
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-07-25 14:03 -0700
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-07-25 14:19 -0700
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-07-25 14:50 -0700
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-07-25 15:12 -0700
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-07-26 04:20 -0700
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-25 21:04 -0400
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-07-26 09:25 -0700
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-07-26 13:45 -0700
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-26 21:43 -0400
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-07-25 19:06 -0400
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-07-26 04:09 -0700
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue jurb6006@gmail.com - 2017-07-26 16:44 -0700
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Reinhardt Behm <rbehm@hushmail.com> - 2017-07-27 10:24 +0800
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-07-26 19:36 -0700
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Reinhardt Behm <rbehm@hushmail.com> - 2017-07-28 13:09 +0800
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue jurb6006@gmail.com - 2017-07-27 22:42 -0700
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-07-28 06:54 -0700
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-07-28 21:03 +0000
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-07-28 14:16 -0700
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-07-31 05:29 -0700
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-07-28 17:59 -0400
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-28 22:32 -0400
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-07-31 05:27 -0700
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-28 22:30 -0400
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Reinhardt Behm <rbehm@hushmail.com> - 2017-07-29 20:02 +0800
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-29 10:03 -0400
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Reinhardt Behm <rbehm@hushmail.com> - 2017-07-29 22:07 +0800
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-29 10:55 -0400
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-07-29 08:05 -0700
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Taxed and Spent <nospamplease@nonospam.com> - 2017-07-26 19:37 -0700
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-07-27 05:51 -0700
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Taxed and Spent <nospamplease@nonospam.com> - 2017-07-27 06:09 -0700
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-07-28 06:40 -0700
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-07-28 21:25 +0000
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-28 17:50 -0700
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue jurb6006@gmail.com - 2017-07-27 21:35 -0700
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Reinhardt Behm <rbehm@hushmail.com> - 2017-07-28 12:58 +0800
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> - 2017-08-01 02:19 -0700
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-07-28 20:21 +0000
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-07-26 22:39 -0400
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue jurb6006@gmail.com - 2017-07-27 22:07 -0700
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