Re: Nothing Can Stop Google. DuckDuckGo Is Trying Anyway.

From	Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com>
Newsgroups	comp.misc
Subject	Re: Nothing Can Stop Google. DuckDuckGo Is Trying Anyway.
Date	2019-03-11 20:55 +0000
Organization	Some absurd concept
Message-ID	<eli$1903111655@qaz.wtf> (permalink)
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In comp.misc, Huge <usenet@huge.org.uk> wrote:
> https://www.technologyreview.com/s/607938/google-now-tracks-your-credit-card-purchases-and-connects-them-to-its-online-profile-of-you/

That links to a google page, which has Google's own description.

> ... the answer to my question is ... they don't. I'd hazard a guess they're
> getting hold of loyalty card information.

https://adwords.googleblog.com/2017/05/powering-ads-and-analytics-innovations.html

And it's more than loyalty card info:

Still, measuring store visits is just one part of the equation.
You also need insights into how your online ads drive sales for
your business. You need to know: are my online ads ringing my
cash register? In the coming months, we'll be rolling out store
sales measurement at the device and campaign levels. This will
allow you to measure in-store revenue in addition to the store
visits delivered by your Search and Shopping ads. If you collect
email information at the point of sale for your loyalty program,

There's the "loyalty" card stuff.

you can import store transactions directly into AdWords yourself
or through a third-party data partner. And even if your business
doesn't have a large loyalty program, you can still measure store
sales by taking advantage of Google's third-party partnerships,
which capture approximately 70% of credit and debit card
transactions in the United States.

And there's the credit card angle.

There is no time-consuming
setup or costly integrations required on your end. You also don't
need to share any customer information. After you opt in, we can
automatically report on your store sales in AdWords. Both
solutions match transactions back to Google ads in a secure and
privacy-safe way, and only report on aggregated and anonymized
store sales to protect your customer data.

I don't know what specifically they are getting with those "third-party
partnerships" but consider if they get a SHA1 of a credit card number.
It doesn't take too many instances of looking up an item via Google
search, looking for a store's address on Google Maps, and seeing a SHA1
one come in from that store in the next couple of days before you have
linked a single computer profile to a SHA1. Then if the same SHA1 can be
linked to single phone profile, via searches there, you've got cross
device tracking even if the person never signs in to a Google "loyalty"
account (eg gmail) from any of the devices.

It's not a far hop from there to track a computer search to a Waze trip
from the geolocation of the IP address to a store to skip the Google
Maps step.

https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/03/identifying_peo_5.html
http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/srep01376

"In the 1930s, it was shown that you need 12 points to uniquely
identify and characterise a fingerprint," said the study's lead
author Yves-Alexandre de Montjoye of MIT.

"What we did here is the exact same thing but with mobility traces.
The way we move and the behaviour is so unique that four points are
enough to identify 95% of people," he told BBC News.

Geolocation of computers, even if only approximate, combined with
accurate geolocation of mapping tools and any sort of unique ID
associated with a particular time and place allows you to associate that
unique ID with a person using the mapping tool.

MAC addresses of phones, eg, also turn out to be good unique IDs to
track time and place events:

https://www.cio.com/article/2383681/5-ways-to-track-in-store-customer-behavior.html

The other ways listed there to track movement in a store involve just
general triangulation of signal strength among people using the free
wifi (which needed be stored with MAC address), and the rest are done
various ways with code running on the phone ("loyalty" apps).

Elijah
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cell phones are the world's most numerous spies

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Nothing Can Stop Google. DuckDuckGo Is Trying Anyway. "(p)ing^~dvox:::::::::z" <dvox@hotbot.com> - 2019-02-15 04:21 +0000
  Re: Nothing Can Stop Google. DuckDuckGo Is Trying Anyway. whodunit <whodunit@notme.org> - 2019-03-08 20:39 +0000
    Re: Nothing Can Stop Google. DuckDuckGo Is Trying Anyway. scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us (Scott Alfter) - 2019-03-08 21:18 +0000
      Re: Nothing Can Stop Google. DuckDuckGo Is Trying Anyway. RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2019-03-10 22:48 -0400
        Re: Nothing Can Stop Google. DuckDuckGo Is Trying Anyway. nunnurbiz <whodunit@notme.org> - 2019-03-12 02:10 +0000
          Re: Nothing Can Stop Google. DuckDuckGo Is Trying Anyway. Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2019-03-12 11:27 +0000
            Re: Nothing Can Stop Google. DuckDuckGo Is Trying Anyway. kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2019-03-12 09:42 -0400
              Re: Nothing Can Stop Google. DuckDuckGo Is Trying Anyway. Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2019-03-12 14:26 +0000
          Re: Nothing Can Stop Google. DuckDuckGo Is Trying Anyway. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2019-03-12 11:39 +0000
        Re: Nothing Can Stop Google. DuckDuckGo Is Trying Anyway. RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> - 2019-03-15 09:17 +0000
    Re: Nothing Can Stop Google. DuckDuckGo Is Trying Anyway. Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2019-03-08 21:32 +0000
      Re: Nothing Can Stop Google. DuckDuckGo Is Trying Anyway. Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2019-03-09 02:15 +0000
        Re: Nothing Can Stop Google. DuckDuckGo Is Trying Anyway. Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2019-03-09 09:14 +0000
        Re: Nothing Can Stop Google. DuckDuckGo Is Trying Anyway. Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2019-03-09 09:41 +0000
        Re: Nothing Can Stop Google. DuckDuckGo Is Trying Anyway. kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2019-03-13 10:17 -0400
          Re: Nothing Can Stop Google. DuckDuckGo Is Trying Anyway. danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> - 2019-03-13 16:29 +0000
    Re: Nothing Can Stop Google. DuckDuckGo Is Trying Anyway. Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2019-03-08 21:38 +0000
      Re: Nothing Can Stop Google. DuckDuckGo Is Trying Anyway. not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-03-08 23:51 +0000
      Re: Nothing Can Stop Google. DuckDuckGo Is Trying Anyway. RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2019-03-08 23:40 -0500
        Re: Nothing Can Stop Google. DuckDuckGo Is Trying Anyway. Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2019-03-09 12:16 +0000
          Re: Nothing Can Stop Google. DuckDuckGo Is Trying Anyway. RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2019-03-10 20:38 -0400
            Re: Nothing Can Stop Google. DuckDuckGo Is Trying Anyway. Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2019-03-11 03:53 +0000
              Re: Nothing Can Stop Google. DuckDuckGo Is Trying Anyway. Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2019-03-11 06:16 +0000
            Re: Nothing Can Stop Google. DuckDuckGo Is Trying Anyway. Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2019-03-11 10:38 +0000
              Re: Nothing Can Stop Google. DuckDuckGo Is Trying Anyway. Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2019-03-11 20:55 +0000
                Re: Nothing Can Stop Google. DuckDuckGo Is Trying Anyway. Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2019-03-11 22:07 +0000
                Re: Nothing Can Stop Google. DuckDuckGo Is Trying Anyway. Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2019-03-12 00:00 +0000
                Re: Nothing Can Stop Google. DuckDuckGo Is Trying Anyway. Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2019-03-12 11:26 +0000
      Re: Nothing Can Stop Google. DuckDuckGo Is Trying Anyway. nunnurbiz <whodunit@notme.org> - 2019-03-12 02:08 +0000
        Re: Nothing Can Stop Google. DuckDuckGo Is Trying Anyway. not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-03-12 21:53 +0000
          Re: Nothing Can Stop Google. DuckDuckGo Is Trying Anyway. nunnurbiz <whodunit@notme.org> - 2019-03-13 19:59 +0000
            Re: Nothing Can Stop Google. DuckDuckGo Is Trying Anyway. Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2019-03-13 20:17 +0000
            Re: Nothing Can Stop Google. DuckDuckGo Is Trying Anyway. not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-03-13 22:12 +0000
              Re: Nothing Can Stop Google. DuckDuckGo Is Trying Anyway. Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2019-03-14 20:36 +0000
                Re: Nothing Can Stop Google. DuckDuckGo Is Trying Anyway. RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2019-03-15 08:51 -0400
                Re: Nothing Can Stop Google. DuckDuckGo Is Trying Anyway. Nyssa <Nyssa@flawlesslogic.com> - 2019-03-15 17:08 -0400
            Re: Nothing Can Stop Google. DuckDuckGo Is Trying Anyway. scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us (Scott Alfter) - 2019-03-14 21:23 +0000
  Re: Nothing Can Stop Google. DuckDuckGo Is Trying Anyway. NUNURBIZ <NUNURBIZ@YAHOO.COM> - 2019-04-19 02:00 +0000
    Re: Nothing Can Stop Google. DuckDuckGo Is Trying Anyway. Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2019-04-19 10:53 +0000
      Re: Nothing Can Stop Google. DuckDuckGo Is Trying Anyway. tom <tom@0.0.0.0> - 2019-04-28 09:55 -0700
        Re: Nothing Can Stop Google. DuckDuckGo Is Trying Anyway. Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2019-04-28 17:48 +0000
          Re: Nothing Can Stop Google. DuckDuckGo Is Trying Anyway. RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2019-04-29 16:42 -0400
            Re: Nothing Can Stop Google. DuckDuckGo Is Trying Anyway. not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-04-29 23:19 +0000
    Re: Nothing Can Stop Google. DuckDuckGo Is Trying Anyway. RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2019-04-20 08:54 +0000

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