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Re: Thermodynamics of gaseous H2O at ambient temperatures

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Subject Re: Thermodynamics of gaseous H2O at ambient temperatures
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Date 2016-03-14 05:22 +0100
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Time to spin the kooks up again. Melt, kooks, melt. <snicker>

Bite My Shiny Metal Ass (aka Shiny Tinfoil Brain), in
<news:ik5aebl5rutban8leprogq1p99cvuilp0b@4ax.com> did thusly jump head
first into the wood chipper again:

> FNVWe stomped a retard's brain flat. Again:

>> Bite My Shiny Metal Ass (aka Shiny Tinfoil Brain), in

>>> FNVWe stomped a retard's brain flat. Again:

>>>> You also didn't know that the dissociation energy and nuclear binding 
>>>> energy of water is identical at 940.8 kJ/mol, thus water will 
>>>> preferentially dissociate into hydrogen and oxygen rather than ionize. 
>>>> That's one of the anomalous properties of water, Jim.
>>>> 
>>>> How is your "water plasma" forming your purported "droplets" if it's 
>>>> plasma, Jim? And given that the dissociation energy and nuclear 
>>>> binding energy of water are identical at 940.8 kJ/mol, you're saying 
>>>> that your water has actually dissociated into hydrogen and oxygen... 
>>>> so how is this hydrogen and oxygen forming your purported "droplets", 
>>>> Jim?

>>> It's good to see you have recognized that water cannot exist
>>> as a plasma, as i told you before, k00ktard.
>>> 
>>> You're welcome.

>> <https://www.quora.com/Can-liquids-be-turned-into-plasma>
>> =========================================================
>> Owen Jones, Physics graduate, postdoctoral researcher in magnetic 
>> confinement fusion.
>> 
>> In order to jump straight from a liquid to a plasma, you need to 
>> supply sufficient energy to remove the electrons from the atoms over a 

> Did you understand that, fakey?  When you remove the
> electrons, there is no longer any bonding.

Are you backpedaling away from your kooky contention that water has no
plasma phase, when in reality any material heated sufficiently will
plasmize, Shiny Tinfoil Brain? LOL

> Why are you so stupid?

Why are you so stupid, Shiny Tinfoil Brain? LOL

> Oh... you are being deliberately stupid so you won't have to
> admit you are wrong, and i'm right.

Says the moron who's been proven wrong. Again. LOL

> RO<SMACKAKOOK!>

Why are you so stupid, Shiny Tinfoil Brain? LOL

>> <https://www.researchgate.net/post/Is_it_possible_to_create_a_plasma_from_water_vapour_in_a_laboratory>
>> =========================================================
>> Is it possible to create a plasma from water vapour in a laboratory?

> Yes, just like it's possible to create steam from ice.

Some blither-blathering backpedaling bleatfarting moron wrote:
"Water has NO plasma phase, ergo no plasma temperature."

SPNAK!

> But, fakey... when it's steam, it's not ice any more, is it?

It's still water, Moron. And given that the plasma comes from water,
it is plasmized water. Moron.

SPNAK!

>> Now you backpedal again and k'lame that "once it's heated to the
>> plasma phase, there are no longer any water molecules." again.
>> 
>> Except a blither-blathering *moron* wrote:
>> "Water has NO plasma phase, ergo no plasma temperature."

> Water has no plasma phase.

<https://www.quora.com/Can-liquids-be-turned-into-plasma>
=========================================================
Owen Jones, Physics graduate, postdoctoral researcher in magnetic 
confinement fusion.

In order to jump straight from a liquid to a plasma, you need to 
supply sufficient energy to remove the electrons from the atoms over a 
large enough volume that the material can be classified as a plasma 
(see my answer to this question for more details on what constitutes a 
plasma). The easiest way of doing this is with an extremely powerful, 
intense laser pulse. Some of the world's most powerful short-pulse 
lasers are capable of producing power densities of a billion trillion  
(10^21) watts per square centimetre. The electric fields generated by 
these lasers are strong enough to rip electrons from the atoms in any 
material, be it solid, liquid or gas, in much less than a trillionth 
of a second. The material doesn't even get a chance to go through the 
normal solid-liquid-gas phase transitions; it's completely vaporized 
and ionized almost as soon as the laser pulse hits it.

So in answer to your question about converting a liquid straight to a 
plasma, it's possible as long as you have a big enough laser!
=========================================================

<https://www.researchgate.net/post/Is_it_possible_to_create_a_plasma_from_water_vapour_in_a_laboratory>
=========================================================
Is it possible to create a plasma from water vapour in a laboratory?

Christophe O Laux · Ecole Centrale Paris
We did exactly that, create a plasma in pure water vapor. We published 
a first paper on the topic: Sainct, F.P., Lacoste, D.A., Kirkpatrick, 
M.J., Odic, E., and Laux, C.O., Experimental study of nanosecond 
repetitively pulsed discharges in water vapor, International Journal 
of Plasma Environmental Science & Technology, vol. 6, no. 2, Sep. 
2012. More publications should follow soon.
=========================================================

SPNAK! on the backpedaling bleating lying blither-blathering moron. 
LOL

>> So you've caught yourself in your own stupidity, and you're
>> backpedaling by k'laming that plasmized water is no longer water...
>> but what were the originating molecules, Moron? Oh yeah... water.

> There are no molecules in the plasma phase.
> Sux to be you, dunnit?

Awww, look at the spankard backpedaling. You're even outdoing Gargles
on his best day... did getting SPNAK!'d so hard really hurt your
fragile little psyche so badly that you can't admit you're *wrong*,
Moron?

SPNAK!

> Can i quote you as saying water has a plasma phase?
> Oh, wait...

Sure you can. Everything has a plasma phase. Moron. It is, after all,
the most abundant form of matter in the universe, by both mass and
volume.

SPNAK!

> -- 
> "What is the plasma temperature of H2O, Jim? 12000 K."
>   --Fakey claims water can exist as a plasma

<https://www.researchgate.net/post/Is_it_possible_to_create_a_plasma_from_water_vapour_in_a_laboratory>
=========================================================
Is it possible to create a plasma from water vapour in a laboratory?

Christophe O Laux · Ecole Centrale Paris
We did exactly that, create a plasma in pure water vapor. We published 
a first paper on the topic: Sainct, F.P., Lacoste, D.A., Kirkpatrick, 
M.J., Odic, E., and Laux, C.O., Experimental study of nanosecond 
repetitively pulsed discharges in water vapor, International Journal 
of Plasma Environmental Science & Technology, vol. 6, no. 2, Sep. 
2012. More publications should follow soon.
=========================================================

SPNAK! on the backpedaling bleating lying blither-blathering moron. 
LOL

I bet you wish you could be right just once, huh, Moron.

<snicker>

-- 

Shiny Tinfoil Brain (aka Bite My Shiny Metal Ass) didn't know:
=====================================
The Euler equation is a subset of equations known as the Euler-Fourier
Formulas, thus that a sinewave is a transformation of a circle (which
should have been intuitive, given that generators *rotate* to create
*sinusoids*).

That cross correlation is used with Fourier transforms.

That superposition is the same as wave interference.

That wave interference works the same for standing or traveling waves.

That RMS and peak-to-peak voltage are two different things.

That RMS isn't a DC voltage.

That 170 volt peak, 120.208 volt RMS L-N 3-phase service gives 208.207
volts RMS L-L.

That 4444525800 != 4400000000 != 1.

The difference between frequency and period of a sinewave.

That there's no difference between 'i' and 'j' in electrical
engineering, physics and control systems engineering.

What a positive or negative vector is.

That the vector sum of 3-phase AC constitutes a closed loop per
Kirchhoff's Voltage Law, thus that the three phases sum to zero.

That "mnemonic" is not spelled "mneumonic".

That his claim: "Water is tetrahedral. It actually has 4 poles, 2
positive and 2 negative." is nonsense from a blathering moron.

That the term "electronegativity" denotes a *positive* effective
nuclear charge.

What the definition of the word "equivalent" is.

That digital voltmeters do indeed take discrete instantaneous samples.

That the atmosphere (and the gaseous phase water within the
atmosphere) does indeed follow the Ideal Gas Law to within 1.337842%
margin of error *worst* *case* at 70 F.

That the square of the instantaneous sample of peak-to-peak voltage of
a peak-voltage sinewave is an offset sinewave, thus its average does
*not* equal zero, as Shiny Tinfoil Brain k'lames.

That the Ideal Gas Law does not require an ideal gas because it takes
into account molar volume.

That "within 10% error" does not equal "10% error".

That water can be plasmized.

That atomic number does not equal effective nuclear charge.

And the moron continues to demonstrate his inability to read a graph.
=====================================

SPNAK!

<snicker>

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Re: Thermodynamics of gaseous H2O at ambient temperatures Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx> - 2016-03-11 08:57 +0100
  Re: Thermodynamics of gaseous H2O at ambient temperatures Bite My Shiny Metal Ass <bender@the.future> - 2016-03-12 14:46 +0800
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