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Re: SPNAK! on Shiny Tinfoil Brain. Again.

From Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx>
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Subject Re: SPNAK! on Shiny Tinfoil Brain. Again.
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Date 2016-02-26 06:23 +0100
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Time to spin the kooks up again. Melt, kooks, melt. <snicker>

vallor, in <news:dj9ksmF5q8gU3@mid.individual.net> did thusly jump
head first into the wood chipper again:

> BTW:
> 
>  ...who needs a mnemonic to remember that gold is 5% and silver is 10%?
> 
> Here, have another one:
> 
> White Blue, Blue White,
> White Orange,
> White Green, Green White,
> Orange White,
> White Brown, Brown White

That's only on the punchdown block. The modular plugs are a different
wiring layout. See below.

> .. . .. . . .
> BB O GG O BrBr
> 
> In this (admittedly old) AT&T PDS layout, describe why the green pair 
> splits the orange pair in this 8-pin cable.

You're talking about the old 10Mbps LattisNet wiring, using the AT&T
PDS layout, which used 4 of the 8 conductors (Orange-White, Orange,
Green-White, Green) for data, two for phone (Blue-White, Blue) and two
for lighted keyboards and such (Brown-White, Brown)?

66 Block:
1 Blue-White: tip
2 Blue: ring
3 Orange-White: TX+
4 Green-White: RX+
5 Green: RX-
6 Orange: TX-
7 Brown-White: power
8 Brown: power

Modular Plug 586B:
1 Orange-White: TX+
2 Orange: TX-
3 Green-White: RX+
4 Blue
5 Blue-White
6 Green: RX-
7 Brown-White
8 Brown

For RJ21, you'd use (Major/Minor):
White: /Blue, /Orange, /Green, /Brown, /Slate
Red: /Blue, /Orange, /Green, /Brown, /Slate
Black: /Blue, /Orange, /Green, /Brown, /Slate
Yellow: /Blue, /Orange, /Green, /Brown, /Slate
Violet: /Blue, /Orange, /Green, /Brown, /Slate

For cables over 25 pairs up to 600 pairs, each 25-pair binder group is
marked with the colors of the color code, starting with White/Blue,
then White/Orange, etc., all the way through to Violet/Brown.

For cables over 600 pairs, each of the (up to 24) 100-pair binder
groups is marked with the same color code... so you start at the outer
binder group and work your way inward to the individual pairs.

You'll note the AT&T 258A PDS standard from way back when conforms to
the RJ-45 EIA/TIA 568B standard. The Blue-White/Blue pair are in the
plug center so 8-wide jacks can be installed and will take 4, 6 or
8-wide plugs without problem.

Digital handsets use the orange and green pairs, so the pairs have to
be split so each receiving and transmitting end would have something
to transmit to, and something to listen to. The Blue and Blue-White
are reversed on the plug to maintain Solid|Striped symmetry.

HTH, HAND

-- 

Shiny Tinfoil Brain (aka Bite My Shiny Metal Ass) didn't know:
=====================================
The Euler equation is a subset of equations known as the Euler-Fourier
Formulas, thus that a sinewave is a transformation of a circle (which
should have been intuitive, given that generators *rotate* to create
*sinusoids*);

That cross correlation is used with Fourier transforms;

That superposition is the same as wave interference;

That wave interference works the same for standing or traveling waves;

That RMS and peak-to-peak voltage are two different things;

That RMS isn't a DC voltage;

That 170 volt peak, 120.208 volt RMS L-N 3-phase service gives 208.207
volts RMS L-L;

That 4444525800 != 4400000000 != 1;

The difference between frequency and period of a sinewave;

That there's no difference between 'i' and 'j' in electrical
engineering, physics and control systems engineering;

What a positive or negative vector is;

That the vector sum of 3-phase AC constitutes a closed loop per
Kirchhoff's Voltage Law, thus that the three phases sum to zero;

That "mnemonic" is not spelled "mneumonic";

And the moron continues to demonstrate his inability to read a graph.
=====================================

SPNAK!

<snicker>

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SPNAK! on Shiny Tinfoil Brain. Again. Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx> - 2016-02-25 18:32 +0100
  Re: SPNAK! on Shiny Tinfoil Brain. Again. Skeeter <skeet@invalid.invalid> - 2016-02-25 12:17 -0700
    Re: SPNAK! on Shiny Tinfoil Brain. Again. "\"Fakey's\" dogwhistle holder living at 5907 Stanton Ave., Pittsburgh, PA (aka Teh Mop  Jockey), socked up as 5907 Stanton Avenue, Pittsburgh, PA 15206-2117" <root@127.0.0.1> - 2016-02-25 15:08 -0500
      Re: SPNAK! on Shiny Tinfoil Brain. Again. Skeeter <skeet@invalid.invalid> - 2016-02-25 13:34 -0700
        Re: SPNAK! on Shiny Tinfoil Brain. Again. "\"Fakey's\" dogwhistle holder living at 5907 Stanton Ave., Pittsburgh, PA (aka Teh Mop  Jockey), socked up as 5907 Stanton Avenue, Pittsburgh, PA 15206-2117" <root@127.0.0.1> - 2016-02-25 15:35 -0500
          Re: SPNAK! on Shiny Tinfoil Brain. Again. Skeeter <skeet@invalid.invalid> - 2016-02-25 13:50 -0700
            Re: SPNAK! on Shiny Tinfoil Brain. Again. "\"Fakey's\" dogwhistle holder living at 5907 Stanton Ave., Pittsburgh, PA (aka Teh Mop  Jockey), socked up as 5907 Stanton Avenue, Pittsburgh, PA 15206-2117" <root@127.0.0.1> - 2016-02-25 15:52 -0500
              Re: SPNAK! on Shiny Tinfoil Brain. Again. "\"Fakey's\" dogwhistle holder living at 5907 Stanton Ave., Pittsburgh, PA (aka Teh Mop  Jockey), socked up as 5907 Stanton Avenue, Pittsburgh, PA 15206-2117" <root@127.0.0.1> - 2016-02-25 15:56 -0500
                Re: SPNAK! on Shiny Tinfoil Brain. Again. "Checkmate, DoW #1" <Lunatic.Fringe@The.Edge> - 2016-02-25 13:07 -0800
                Re: SPNAK! on Shiny Tinfoil Brain. Again. Skeeter <skeet@invalid.invalid> - 2016-02-25 14:09 -0700
              Re: SPNAK! on Shiny Tinfoil Brain. Again. Skeeter <skeet@invalid.invalid> - 2016-02-25 14:07 -0700
      Re: SPNAK! on Shiny Tinfoil Brain. Again. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2016-02-26 00:34 +0000
        Re: SPNAK! on Shiny Tinfoil Brain. Again. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2016-02-26 02:21 +0000
        Re: SPNAK! on Shiny Tinfoil Brain. Again. Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx> - 2016-02-26 06:23 +0100
          Re: SPNAK! on Shiny Tinfoil Brain. Again. "\"Fakey's\" dogwhistle holder living at 5907 Stanton Ave., Pittsburgh, PA (aka Teh Mop  Jockey), socked up as 5907 Stanton Avenue, Pittsburgh, PA 15206-2117" <root@127.0.0.1> - 2016-02-26 00:36 -0500
            Re: SPNAK! on Shiny Tinfoil Brain. Again. Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx> - 2016-02-26 20:15 +0100
              Re: SPNAK! on Shiny Tinfoil Brain. Again. Skeeter <skeet@invalid.invalid> - 2016-02-26 12:31 -0700
              Re: SPNAK! on Shiny Tinfoil Brain. Again. "\"Fakey's\" dogwhistle holder living at 5907 Stanton Ave., Pittsburgh, PA (aka Teh Mop  Jockey), socked up as 5907 Stanton Avenue, Pittsburgh, PA 15206-2117" <root@127.0.0.1> - 2016-02-26 15:20 -0500
                Re: SPNAK! on Shiny Tinfoil Brain. Again. Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx> - 2016-02-27 06:21 +0100
                Re: SPNAK! on Shiny Tinfoil Brain. Again. kensi <kkensington01@gmail.invalid> - 2016-02-27 03:48 -0500
                Re: SPNAK! on Shiny Tinfoil Brain. Again. "Checkmate, DoW #1" <Lunatic.Fringe@The.Edge> - 2016-02-27 04:00 -0800
                Re: SPNAK! on Shiny Tinfoil Brain. Again. Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx> - 2016-02-27 20:08 +0100
                Re: SPNAK! on Shiny Tinfoil Brain. Again. Skeeter <skeet@invalid.invalid> - 2016-02-27 12:23 -0700
                Re: SPNAK! on Shiny Tinfoil Brain. Again. Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx> - 2016-02-27 19:31 +0100
                Re: SPNAK! on Shiny Tinfoil Brain. Again. fitnessforyou2002@yahoo.com - 2016-02-27 11:27 -0800
                Re: SPNAK! on Shiny Tinfoil Brain. Again. Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx> - 2016-02-28 19:47 +0100
                Re: SPNAK! on Shiny Tinfoil Brain. Again. fitnessforyou2002@yahoo.com - 2016-02-28 12:45 -0800
                Re: SPNAK! on Shiny Tinfoil Brain. Again. "\"Fakey's\" dogwhistle holder living at 5907 Stanton Ave., Pittsburgh, PA (aka Teh Mop  Jockey), socked up as 5907 Stanton Avenue, Pittsburgh, PA 15206-2117" <root@127.0.0.1> - 2016-02-28 16:14 -0500
                Re: SPNAK! on Shiny Tinfoil Brain. Again. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2016-02-28 04:06 +0000
          Re: SPNAK! on Shiny Tinfoil Brain. Again. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2016-02-26 20:11 +0000
            Re: SPNAK! on Shiny Tinfoil Brain. Again. Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx> - 2016-02-27 05:41 +0100
              Re: SPNAK! on Shiny Tinfoil Brain. Again. Skeeter <skeet@invalid.invalid> - 2016-02-27 02:29 -0700
    Re: SPNAK! on Shiny Tinfoil Brain. Again. "Checkmate, DoW #1" <Lunatic.Fringe@The.Edge> - 2016-02-25 12:29 -0800
      Re: SPNAK! on Shiny Tinfoil Brain. Again. "\"Fakey's\" dogwhistle holder living at 5907 Stanton Ave., Pittsburgh, PA (aka Teh Mop  Jockey), socked up as 5907 Stanton Avenue, Pittsburgh, PA 15206-2117" <root@127.0.0.1> - 2016-02-25 15:34 -0500
  Re: SPNAK! on Shiny Tinfoil Brain. Again. snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe, DoW #2) - 2016-02-25 19:25 +0000
    Re: SPNAK! on Shiny Tinfoil Brain. Again. "\"Fakey's\" dogwhistle holder living at 5907 Stanton Ave., Pittsburgh, PA (aka Teh Mop  Jockey), socked up as 5907 Stanton Avenue, Pittsburgh, PA 15206-2117" <root@127.0.0.1> - 2016-02-25 15:09 -0500
    Re: SPNAK! on Shiny Tinfoil Brain. Again. Bite My Shiny Metal Ass <bender@the.future> - 2016-02-26 04:14 +0800
      Re: SPNAK! on Shiny Tinfoil Brain. Again. Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx> - 2016-02-26 05:49 +0100
        Re: SPNAK! on Shiny Tinfoil Brain. Again. Skeeter <skeet@invalid.invalid> - 2016-02-25 22:06 -0700
          Re: SPNAK! on Shiny Tinfoil Brain. Again. Bite My Shiny Metal Ass <bender@the.future> - 2016-02-26 14:45 +0800
            Re: SPNAK! on Shiny Tinfoil Brain. Again. Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx> - 2016-02-26 20:15 +0100
  Re: SPNAK! on Shiny Tinfoil Brain. Again. fitnessforyou2002@yahoo.com - 2016-02-26 15:20 -0800

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